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Old 07-11-2021, 03:03 PM
 
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The big complaint I have heard about the United Nations all my long life has been how impotent they are; that they talk a lot and do nothing.

China may become a problem, but not because they will take over the UN.
The United Nations tactics are insidious. Check your local general plan. Local government officials who support globalism readily implement United Nation's "Sustainable Development" agenda in exchange for grant money. The UN doesn't really need to do much when they have operatives doing their work for them.
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Old 07-11-2021, 03:11 PM
 
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But the residents did catch it. The system works. Ain't it grand?
It did work...for a while. The residents replaced the Board of Supervisors with supervisors who would uphold private property rights. Unfortunately, big money marijuana moved in and replaced the property rights supervisors with big government globalists again. I saw the writing on the wall and moved to a state that upholds property rights.
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Old 07-11-2021, 03:26 PM
 
Location: Retired in VT; previously MD & NJ
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https://www.marxists.org/reference/a...liberation.htm

Maybe you noticed in there that Theory is favorable of representative democracy. The Marxist don't really like small incremental measures that stop the revolution from occurring. They don't like the idea of a New Deal unless it's somehow ushers in the revolution. I'm sure there are other Marxist who would disagree but in general I'd say that is a fair assessment. Whatever slows, stops or reverses the revolution.

CRT: An Intro https://uniteyouthdublin.files.wordp...okfi-org-1.pdf

Marxism is a continuum.

Primitive Communal Living > Slave Society > Feudalism > Capitalism > Socialism > (stateless) Communism

Hegel's Dialectic is important to Marxian thought because it looks to use imbalances and contradictions to explain all problematic circumstances.

The dichotomy of Capitalism versus Socialism exaggerates these differences in them most profound way. Capitalism is the operand on which the imbalance lays.

Also, the further out of balance the system is the more likely there will be wars, conflicts, oppression, slavery, death, murder, injustice, etc.

So the dialectic looks to seek out contradictions, bring them to the forefront for exposure, plot them against each other and come up with a solution.

Newton has the whole world figured out until a contradiction in Classic Physics comes up with Mercury's orbit. From this contradiction comes General Relativity. An entirely new paradigm but which still contains the previous thesis of Classical Physics but also explains the universe, except in black holes, exquisitely.

So to a Marxist democracy is a relief valve. it's part of their equation where all differences are bad or will have a tendency to go bad. Democracy, to them, being a precise calculation of how far out of whack things are down to the individual, and the revolution. After the revolution they have no more say, or vote, or freedoms.

The entire purpose of being a living breathing things is to consume and reproduce and to that end there is a will to life and to make a better situation out of that which you currently find yourself in. You can obviously see where the glaring contradiction is in that when you have an ideology seeking out "no differences."

Honestly, historically speaking, if I was an alien invader trying to figure out how to subjugate an entire planet the ideology of Marxism would be absolutely perfect. The silly human being cast off their freedoms and willingly take on salvey for safety. Then you just take over the useful idiotic leader who led them all there.

Anyways...

So looking at the geopolitical situation with China, how would you see that conflict playing out? They've moved away somewhat from their purely communistic ideology to at least accept state-sponsored capitalism. What shall the US do? Marxian theory would say move the US away from its more polarizing position and its adherence to capitalism to relieve "the pressure differential."

Then we all get to suffer through this zero sum game where every answer is binary (except genders, and sex, and math, and...) oppressor/oppressed or racist/anti-racist or proletariat/bourgeois or white/black or male/female or whatever. If it's a traditional position propose the opposite and somewhere in the middle is "the truth." Marriage? Religion? History? All of it is subjected to the entropic destruction. In totalizing systems more totalization is always manufactured.

https://ia902504.us.archive.org/8/it...f_Totalism.pdf

It kinda makes me wonder what a fierce Marxist would say about the Carnot Cycle.

It kinda makes me wonder how much (maybe I should say how little) most of the people in the US actually know about any of these old theories or history. I include our various elected and non elected government officials, as well as media personalities on both sides. A lot of the rhetoric these days comes from ignorance. Very sad.

What I see are people throwing around words and phrases they dont understand because they read somewhere that it was a bad idea. Most are not history buffs like BigJon.
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Old 07-11-2021, 03:27 PM
 
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They want to destroy our identity as a sovereign nation and this nation is unlike any other. We stand for freedom and they want Marxism. The very rich want globalism and they want a global world. WAKE UP PEOPLE! They want to take down every symbol of being an American. Our flag, our anthem, our Constitution, Our balance of power in the senate and Supreme Court. They don't hate America, They want to replace America to a Marxist society.



They want to get rid of the Electoral College, Change voting systems, squash the States Rights, Abolish Freedom, make our sports arenas political, ruin the family unit, do away with God all together, take down our morality . Sexualize children, defame our past presidents as evil and kill patriotism.



They are working day and night to cancel anyone that stands for America. They will use race, division, hate TV, communist professors, teachers unions, big tech, our FBI and CIA, our justice system full of radical thinkers, take complete control of industries, open up our borders in a pandemic, mandate laws against the people, use group think in our Fake News Networks . They have been working to destroy us and all that defines America.



They know how communists used the useful idiots who follow them and fight for them to accomplish their goals. It is under a banner and they know that no matter what they do , the useful idiots will back them no matter how radical they become. This is their brainwashing . Their allegiance to that banner makes their common sense completely useless and void.



Even in Hitlers day, many carried out the most horrid extreme radical atrocities known to man because Hitler, the banner directed them to do so. When all rational thinking is gone , mankind can do and think it is OK , and this has been proven. The banner of group think is all that matters and their allegiance is more important that moral judgement. They are so brainwashed , they can do the most atrocious things and think it is for the greater good. This is why the left wants to destroy all morality, God, right from wrong, truth is destroyed and this is happening today.


They have no values for children. They don't believe in purity, goodness, preserving that which is good and decent. They use hidden messaging in movies, on tv to accept the unacceptable. They wear the masses down to think that the new normal is justified because of their conditioning of acceptance. It is lighten up man, it's not that bad. I think it was funny.


The justification of evil is a tool the left uses daily. One must think about what they accept because Hitler is proof that people can be led down an evil path. We need to see what is happening today and it is a corrupt system in the leftist minds that want to change us. Don't be a useful idiot! Stand with America because America is are only hope of Freedom in this world.
I was just thinking about this. See screenname.

Is there any time the people will actually RISE UP and stop this?

I love Republicans as they are not Democrats and Trump 2024 but.. Wow we really are not doing too well right now, are we.
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Old 07-11-2021, 03:29 PM
 
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It kinda makes me wonder how much (maybe I should say how little) most of the people in the US actually know about any of these old theories or history. I include our various elected and non elected government officials, as well as media personalities on both sides. A lot of the rhetoric these days comes from ignorance. Very sad.

What I see are people throwing around words and phrases they dont understand because they read somewhere that it was a bad idea. Most are not history buffs like BigJon.
Anyone below the age of 25-29 is just doomed.

Doomed.

Even up to about ohh 35/36 is suspect...
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Old 07-11-2021, 03:31 PM
 
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OP plays the One Note Samba.
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Old 07-11-2021, 03:53 PM
 
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Maybe you noticed in there that Theory is favorable of representative democracy. The Marxist don't really like small incremental measures that stop the revolution from occurring. They don't like the idea of a New Deal unless it's somehow ushers in the revolution. I'm sure there are other Marxist who would disagree but in general I'd say that is a fair assessment. Whatever slows, stops or reverses the revolution.
This is true.

Marxists/Bolsheviks whatever always condemned 'half measures'. They always considered the advocates of small reforms as sell outs, weakening the effort, and dangerous.

One excellent example of this was Otto Von Bismarck's reforms in imperial Germany (called Statssozialismus). They were impressive in their scope: addressing old age security and child labor. They transformed the world of working class people in Germany, making their lives much better while not fundamentally changing the economic system. Marxists hated it, chiefly because it addressed some of the most pressing needs of the working class people and sapped away the energy from revolutionary ferver.
  • Health Insurance Bill of 1883
  • Accident Insurance Bill of 1884
  • Old Age and Disability Insurance Bill of 1889
  • Workers Protection Act of 1891
  • Children's Protection Act of 1903

It took the USA many decades to accomplish what Bismarck was able to do for the people in ten years. For instance, we did not have a Social Security program until the act was signed in 1935, 46 years after the Germans. Of course, it was detracted here as "creeping Communism", and it was nothing of the sort.
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Old 07-11-2021, 05:01 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma
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It's not. But conservatives have to find somebody or something to scapegoat for the ills of the world. Gays used to be highly targeted but have now decided it's time to focus on transsexuals. Soros is getting a little old, so now they have moved on to Marxism, communism, socialism and immigration.
Seems like just yesterday that Saul Alinsky was all the rage.
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Old 07-11-2021, 05:37 PM
 
Location: Florida
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In other words, fight back or get back by the government banning the free speech of the cancel culture? Or the government forcing social media not to ban far right conservatives, such as Alex Jones?
I don't listen to Alex Jones. I actually am a free thinker. One can watch what is going on and use common sense to figure it all out. What I say comes from my own brain.



I see what the democrats are doing or want to do and I actually can figure out what their goal is. Packing the court.. means taking all power, getting rid of the filibuster , another power grab. Getting rid of the Electoral Election system. This was to ensure that every state had input into who became president.



Also making DC a state to add more liberal senators to the Senate. Packing the senate for a power grab.



Just like the last fraud election. Harvesting ballots, going out and getting ballots from high rise buildings, nursing homes and then selectively throwing out those that voted Republican ticket and submitting those that voted democrat.



One can think on their own today and all they have to do is listen to what the democrats want to accomplish to get to an end result. That is the why of what they are doing.



So who needs Alex Jones. I don't.. I have my own brain and use it.
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Old 07-11-2021, 05:46 PM
 
Location: Florida
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This is true.

Marxists/Bolsheviks whatever always condemned 'half measures'. They always considered the advocates of small reforms as sell outs, weakening the effort, and dangerous.

One excellent example of this was Otto Von Bismarck's reforms in imperial Germany (called Statssozialismus). They were impressive in their scope: addressing old age security and child labor. They transformed the world of working class people in Germany, making their lives much better while not fundamentally changing the economic system. Marxists hated it, chiefly because it addressed some of the most pressing needs of the working class people and sapped away the energy from revolutionary ferver.
  • Health Insurance Bill of 1883
  • Accident Insurance Bill of 1884
  • Old Age and Disability Insurance Bill of 1889
  • Workers Protection Act of 1891
  • Children's Protection Act of 1903

It took the USA many decades to accomplish what Bismarck was able to do for the people in ten years. For instance, we did not have a Social Security program until the act was signed in 1935, 46 years after the Germans. Of course, it was detracted here as "creeping Communism", and it was nothing of the sort.
When the money goes to those who are old as SS does, the person has a choice to work or retire. They also have their paychecks docked for SS . The also have their SS check docked for healthcare and to be fully covered one must have gap insurance to pay for the extra 20% the medicare does not cover. It is not a freebie.



Years ago children worked in the coal mines sorting coal In America. This is child abuse today. We are better today . Morally decent to protect the children. I do not believe it is marxism to protect children. It is morally correct. Far from taking away someones freedom.
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