Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
 
Old 07-12-2021, 11:41 AM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
18,461 posts, read 7,089,783 times
Reputation: 11701

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by TigerLily24 View Post
Too many employers rely on a model that requires that people work for peanuts.
If the workers aren’t worth a decent wage, what makes the product worth even a penny?


Show me, in detail, a business model that allows an employer to pay their employees more than the market value of their labor.

Explain how an employer can pay a worker $15/hr when their labor is only worth $10/hr?

You can't.

Because the only employer who gets away with doing that isn't a business.

It's the government.

 
Old 07-12-2021, 11:48 AM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
18,461 posts, read 7,089,783 times
Reputation: 11701
Quote:
Originally Posted by Taiko View Post
That employers can't find enough such people is proof that they are indeed worth more than whatever price the employer thinks they are worth.


You're believing that you're worth more than a particular job happens to pay doesn't make it so.


Not any more than your belief in Santa Clause means that you'll catch him coming down the chimney if you just wait up long enough and watch for him.


See, the problem is that your needs have nothing to do with your market value.


Your value to any given employer is the only thing that determines what you will make.
 
Old 07-12-2021, 11:54 AM
 
9,500 posts, read 2,919,782 times
Reputation: 5283
Quote:
Originally Posted by thefragile View Post
Uh no. We all knew that companies could increase wages but they didn’t want to so they claimed they couldn’t. We are now seeing that yes, yes they CAN increase wages. Has nothing to do with immigration. Take it to the immigration forum if you can’t bear to not bring up immigration in every single topic.
Maybe corporate, but private may not be able to. Unless you are in a high end upper scale restaurant, those kind of jobs were never meant to be a career, they are entry level jobs for high school and college kids, maybe retired people who either need to supplement their social security or something to do. They are not designed to be a career. I hope those who are living off the backs of those who are working and taxes being taken out of their paychecks, are using the money to go to trade schools to learn a trade.
 
Old 07-12-2021, 12:12 PM
 
62,946 posts, read 29,141,740 times
Reputation: 18578
Someone might want to read the title of this topic again. Employers are claiming there is a labor shortage to justify hiring illegal aliens instead. When in fact it is the employer who doesn't want to pay a fair wage for a job so they can increase their profits with cheap, illegal labor but that doesn't equate to an American labor shortage. That is absolutely on topic!
 
Old 07-12-2021, 12:16 PM
 
Location: NC
11,222 posts, read 8,303,040 times
Reputation: 12469
Quote:
Originally Posted by Oldglory View Post
The CEO of restaurant chain &pizza says there's no labor shortage, only a wage shortage.
He's been paying employees $16/hr since before the pandemic and says he's fully staffed.
He said he'd received more than 100 applications for each job this year.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/mark...s7b?li=BBnb7Kz

So goes the claim that we need illegal aliens here to do the jobs that Americans supposedly won't do for a fair wage.
So goes the claim that the Biden economy is failing.
So goes the claim that liberal policies are causing the unemployment.

And mostly, SO GOES THE CLAIM that Trumps horrific unemployment record was due to the Pandemic.
 
Old 07-12-2021, 12:19 PM
 
Location: NC
11,222 posts, read 8,303,040 times
Reputation: 12469
Quote:
Originally Posted by Oldglory View Post
Someone might want to read the title of this topic again. Employers are claiming there is a labor shortage to justify hiring illegal aliens instead. When in fact it is the employer who doesn't want to pay a fair wage for a job so they can increase their profits with cheap, illegal labor but that doesn't equate to an American labor shortage. That is absolutely on topic!
Which is precisely why Republicans want to embrace symbolic measures taht are not effective. They want to blame the illegals while turning a blind eye to their supporters who hire them. If they were serious, they'd fix legal immegration, and hold accountable those who hire illegals. If they did that, then DEMS would also be forced to hold illegals accountable for their actions.

Not to heap blame on one side, NEITHER party is interested in fixing this problem. It suits them, they are both wings of the same bird.
 
Old 07-12-2021, 12:19 PM
 
Location: Southeast US
8,609 posts, read 2,308,762 times
Reputation: 2114
Quote:
Originally Posted by warhorse78 View Post
Yes, I agree 100%. For far too long, corporations and businesses are either still stuck in the 1980's COL, or rely heavily on people receiving welfare so never had to worry about raising their wages. Well, those people are now retiring and the new people coming out need more money now for housing, food and clothing and to pay for the expensive degrees these businesses demand from their workers. Used to be you could start as a bag boy at the local grocery story and work your way up to management within 20 years. Now the same company wants you to have a degree in business administration, human resources or psychology before you can even think about going for a management position.
they don't promote from within? They're hiring store managers with zero grocery experience so long as they have a degree?

That doesn't quite sound right.
 
Old 07-12-2021, 12:20 PM
 
9,500 posts, read 2,919,782 times
Reputation: 5283
Quote:
Originally Posted by Oldglory View Post
Someone might want to read the title of this topic again. Employers are claiming there is a labor shortage to justify hiring illegal aliens instead. When in fact it is the employer who doesn't want to pay a fair wage for a job so they can increase their profits with cheap, illegal labor but that doesn't equate to an American labor shortage. That is absolutely on topic!
No, as a business owner and talking with others, people are not wanting to work. Believe me, no way are we hiring illegals.
 
Old 07-12-2021, 12:22 PM
 
34,054 posts, read 17,071,203 times
Reputation: 17212
Quote:
Originally Posted by FatBob96 View Post
You're believing that you're worth more than a particular job happens to pay doesn't make it so.


Not any more than your belief in Santa Clause means that you'll catch him coming down the chimney if you just wait up long enough and watch for him.


See, the problem is that your needs have nothing to do with your market value.


Your value to any given employer is the only thing that determines what you will make.
Amen!
 
Old 07-12-2021, 12:24 PM
 
Location: Free State of Florida
4,958 posts, read 2,237,693 times
Reputation: 5839
Quote:
Originally Posted by Oldglory View Post
The CEO of restaurant chain &pizza says there's no labor shortage, only a wage shortage.
He's been paying employees $16/hr since before the pandemic and says he's fully staffed.
He said he'd received more than 100 applications for each job this year.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/mark...s7b?li=BBnb7Kz

So goes the claim that we need illegal aliens here to do the jobs that Americans supposedly won't do for a fair wage.
There is no doubt a shortage of labor with education and good work ethics.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Closed Thread


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 06:45 AM.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top