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Trump told his followers there would be fraud long before the election. Back in the summer of 2020, he started saying that the only way he could lose is if there was fraud. He was priming them to believe the Big Lie even before the election.
Because by summer he KNEW he was losing to Biden. He knew he was going to need an excuse - because Trump could never admit to losing at anything. So I was not surprised at all when Trump and his closest followers started crying fraud. But I am shocked at how many people believe this with no supporting evidence.
Going all the way back to the summer of 2016, you mean. Remember, he was crying "rigged!" back then, too. He suddenly changed his tune when he actually won. That tells you all you need to know.
I was talking about predicting fraud before the election. I don’t think Hillary did that. And I don’t believe Hillary refused to concede. But anyway, this thread is about Trump voters.
I love all the fake news from sources like the one sided Clinton News Networks or the socialist network MSNBC
and how people swallow all this BS right up, like itis real news.
You’re calling it fake, but you’re not specifically refuting any of it.
I believe behind the scenes in politics is very different than the show the average voter sees.
Like Tucker Carlson railing nonstop against the MSM while behind the scenes he is life long chums with these MSM folks and trades info back and forth. I think in politics its about power and money and not all the fighting and dramatics you see on here. Difference being the DC folks on both sides are making tons of money off of politics and the people on here nothing.
I think the larger point is that Trump supporters hated Bill and Hill during the time that Trump was palling around with them. I suspect that most of Trump supporters weren't big fans of Trump back then either.
I suppose in their minds Trump somehow became "enlightened" and came to their point of view. Others of us have watched this guy operate for 40 years and realize that he is basically an opportunist and realized that his "evolution" was in part to attract a following among right wing reactionary types.
Whether or not Trump is still friends with the Clintons these days is not as important as to why Trump was friends with the Clintons in those days. Why didn't he see the Clintons as the evil people that all the other righties did at that time? And if Trump finally saw the light so to speak. Why would you want to support a guy that was so slow on the uptake?
I never went into threads about Election Fraud/Corrupt or however you want to word it.
But, I will say - something Hinky went down before and on Election Night.
Thesearticles are a simple summary of how experts in forensic auditing would describe November. Succinctly, they suspect fraud because there were red flags stacked up so thick they could be seen from space, all pointing in the same direction.
Unfortunately, much of the nation failed their IQ test when they refused to examine the evidence for themselves.
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"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command."
All it took was some reassurance, repetition and a smokescreen of legalese for them to capitulate to the narrative.
It was 100% rigged. Why the heck are they, to this day, still trying to make it where people don't need an ID to vote? They need this so they can cheat once again. Why all the illegals coming in? So they can use them for voting in future elections.
Dems rigged the election and are trying best they can to rig future elections. Anyone that can't see that is just lying to themselves.
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a) The entrenched bureaucracy & security state subverted Trump from Day 1, b) The press is part of the operation, c) Election rules were changed, d) Big Tech censors opposition, e) Political violence is legitimized & encouraged, f) Trump is banned from social media.
An even more abbreviated version: Waaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh! They don't like me! It must be their fault!
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Originally Posted by Taratova
I will never believe that it was a fair election. Conservatives were thrown out from seeing what was going on.
Every single one of these ridiculous complaints has been debunked. Time to move on.
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Originally Posted by michiganmoon
How can anyone trust the news to be honest when there are countless examples of them framing, ignoring, spinning, etc all for a political agenda?
Maybe because the "examples" have been brought up by those with a different political agenda? Once again: They don't agree with me! It must be something they did!
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Originally Posted by Leo58
michiganmoon, you missed the biggest reason.
Trump told his followers there would be fraud long before the election.
Yep. And because, where Trump is concerned, his followers are incapable of critical thinking, they swallowed his nonsense hook, line, and sinker.
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Originally Posted by Taratova
The democrats illegally changed the rules and let the counting go on for days. Florida got the votes counted early and it is the third most populated state with 21 million people .
Not all states allow early vote counts. Pennsylvania's Republican legislature expressly forbid it.
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The democrats didn't want to count the mail in ballots as they came in because they wanted to know how many Trump would get so they could produce and beat what Trump got.
See above.
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Originally Posted by Taratova
Only in your mind.. we knew that sending in ballots to everyone would be a huge problem
"Everyone" had ballots sent to them? Really? Please do provide evidence of this (nonsensical) claim.
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Originally Posted by Grumpy ol' Man
So you're saying that by suppressing the truth it will heal the nation? Too late for that, I see no way the nation can survive what the left has been are are doing. By the time another election comes along, the country will be lost, it will be impossible to undo the damage the radical left is doing to America. Say hello to Marxist America. Your children and grandchildren will pay the price for for those with their heads buried in the sand.
Drama Queen Alert!
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Originally Posted by crone
This right here is why some of us have grave doubts about Trump supporters. The League of Women Voters does not endorse candidates. At least they didn't when I was a member for many years. They do put out the voters guide. It is statements by candidates. The League gives x amount of words to each candidate to say what they want.
Exactly. The League of Women Voters is about making sure voters have the ability to make an informed decision.
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Originally Posted by Cape Cod Todd
What really gets me is how the Left fought so hard against something as simple as MAGA. MAGA was working for every citizen and LEGAL immigrant.
Horse hockey. MAGA was about Trump. Amazing that people still can't see that.
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Originally Posted by Spartacus713
The courts did not look at the evidence. They just dismissed the cases.
The cases had no standing. Look it up.
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Originally Posted by ClaraC
I feel like I'm having a discussion with someone who thinks there's a tracking microchip in the COVID vaccine or Neil Armstrong didn't walk on the moon.
...Not all states allow early vote counts. Pennsylvania's Republican legislature expressly forbid it...
Michigan, as well. Can't start counting mail-in ballots until the polls close on election day.
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