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Old 07-12-2021, 04:32 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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That is erroneous and baseless.

Every immigrant group in the US is more successful than American Blacks. For example, Haitians, Jamaicans and the real African Americans excel, as do all other People of Color.

How is it an African from Senegal can get off the boat, get a job, buy a house and send his kids to college, but Black Americans cannot?

The mere fact that Haitians, Jamaicans and the real Africans out-perform American Blacks at every level refutes and debunks any claims of systemic racism.

Because if it would be systemic, then Haitians, Jamaicans and Africans could not excel.
An interesting observation, but is it 100% true? Can such blacks drive through Southern states, such as Alabama and Mississippi, while a white woman is with them without being stopped by the police? In other words, can they drive while being black? If not, systemic racism is not entirely gone. Also can they openly carry a rifle in public in open carry states without police taking major issue with it, while they leave openly armed white men alone?
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Old 07-12-2021, 04:37 PM
 
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Peggy Macintosh, Jane Elliot and Robin diangelo are all privlige white women and they are all crying will banking millions on who is racist. They have a good hustle.
Racism is big business. Think of all the corporate training sessions, consulting hours, yearly certifications…
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Old 07-12-2021, 04:38 PM
 
Location: Southeast US
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An interesting observation, but is it 100% true? Can such blacks drive through Southern states, such as Alabama and Mississippi, while a white woman is with them without being stopped by the police for no good reason? In other words, can they drive while being black? If not, systemic racism is not entirely gone. Also can they openly carry a rifle in public in open carry states without police taking major issue with it, while they leave openly armed white men alone?
can you please cite the last 10 of these incidents.
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Old 07-12-2021, 04:44 PM
 
Location: Rural Wisconsin
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Racism is big business. Think of all the corporate training sessions, consulting hours, yearly certifications…
I am surprised that I did not think of this, and that no one has brought this up before.

I am now if black consultants are brought in, or if white leftists are doing the training?
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Old 07-12-2021, 05:44 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Mircea View Post
That is erroneous and baseless.

Every immigrant group in the US is more successful than American Blacks. For example, Haitians, Jamaicans and the real African Americans excel, as do all other People of Color.

How is it an African from Senegal can get off the boat, get a job, buy a house and send his kids to college, but Black Americans cannot?

The mere fact that Haitians, Jamaicans and the real Africans out-perform American Blacks at every level refutes and debunks any claims of systemic racism.

Because if it would be systemic, then Haitians, Jamaicans and Africans could not excel.

But, notice the author mentions American Indians.

What do American Blacks and American Indians have in common?

They both have refused to assimilate.

Every ethnic group regardless of race that has come to the US has assimilated and excelled.

And, you can see the refusal to assimilate.

They refuse to give their kids "White" names, so instead they name their kids Jamal, which is not an African language word, but it is a Muslim Arabic word.

Let's follow the logic(?) here.....

1) We can't give our kids "White" names because they held us as Slaves; but
2) We can name our kids after Muslim Arabs who initiated the Africa Slave Trade circa 800 CE and then because Muslim Arabs (Moors) controlled most of Spain, they introduced the slave trade to the Portuguese and Spanish circa 1400 CE.

Who does not see the differently twisted logic?

Not only have American Blacks refused to assimilate, the have adopted and perpetuated a Toxic Culture.

Name one culture in the whole of Human History who survived and thrived and were successful that:

1. Worshiped violence
2. Elevate thugs and murderers to Hero Status
3. Denigrated, debased, demeaned and derided women
4. Defied any an all authority at every opportunity
5. Glorified and condoned self-destructive and self-defeating behaviors
6. Adopted any "anything goes" attitude where every action is "justified" even if it is illegal, immoral or unethical
7. Shunned education and bullied others attempting to learn
8. Refused to assimilate

The English translation of Critical Race Theory is "Blame Everyone but Us for the Problems We Bring on Ourselves."
No doubt. UK just carried out a major study and they found “immigrant optimism” weighted heavily in success. They also found native populations don’t see their situations in such dire terms as ethnic minorities and that they also don’t take advantage of their situations at the same rates.

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Participation, however, is not just about opening the doors, we also speak to the need for communities to run through that open space and grasp those opportunities. We have found that some ethnic minorities have been able to ‘participate’ better than others. We were impressed by the ‘immigrant optimism’ of some of the new African communities. They are among the new high achievers in our education system. As their Caribbean peers sit in the same classrooms, it is difficult to blame racism in education for the latter’s underachievement.

Research by the Centre for Longitudinal Studies and the Runnymede Trust also finds higher aspirations among ethnic minority children at 14 years old compared with White children.21 White boys gave themselves an average probability of going to university of 60.9%, while for White girls the estimation was higher, at 68.3%. This compared starkly with the Black African (boys, 81.7%; girls 88.8%), Indian (81.3%; 85.3%), Pakistani (74.9%; 82.4%), and Bangladeshi (77.8%; 80.2%) ethnic groups. Black Caribbean boys were the only group with lower expectations than the White boys group at 58.5%, while Black Caribbean girls gave themselves a 73.3% probability of going to university.

There are conflicting views on what drives immigrant optimism, whether it is an internal drive or a response to external discrimination. However, it is evident that ethnic minority groups have agency to overcome obstacles and achieve success.
https://assets.publishing.service.go...Accessible.pdf
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Old 07-12-2021, 07:48 PM
 
Location: Rural Wisconsin
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I am surprised that I did not think of this, and that no one has brought this up before.

I am now if black consultants are brought in, or if white leftists are doing the training?
Edited to say: I am now wondering if black consultants are brought in, or if white leftists are doing the training?
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Old 07-12-2021, 07:55 PM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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Regarding the underlined... it's actually liberal elites (mostly white) putting a fancy academic facade on an attempt to hardwire a corrupt,
divisive attitude in the minds of K-12 kids. The militant black folk and woke whites are the operatives at various levels.

The is akin to when a hacker hacks into a computer and puts a rootkit system on the hard drive - and now the computer is running the hackers operating system.

This CRT stuff is hacking the minds of the next generation of Americans.

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Regarding the OP... a truly academic document will not have references to race and political affiliation - as the those don't matter in real education.

2+2=4 in any race - despite claims that say math is racist.
Spot on!
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Old 07-12-2021, 08:38 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Racism is big business. Think of all the corporate training sessions, consulting hours, yearly certifications…
Al Sharpton would be in the unemployment line if not for the dems pushing racism under every rock.
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Old 07-12-2021, 08:45 PM
 
Location: Southeast US
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Edited to say: I am now wondering if black consultants are brought in, or if white leftists are doing the training?
both. You haven't seen the photo(s) of the sizeable black woman squeezed into spandex/lycra giving equity presentations .... (BRB)

2 Black men weigh in.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWoC90bbsdo

http://ashleighshackelford.com/
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Old 07-12-2021, 08:59 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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Many people on City-Data have given their opinions about what critical race theory is or is not based on what they have read in articles, read online, or heard from others. I have now read the text of the book Critical Race Theory, first published in 2001, except for the Table of Contents, “Classroom Exercises” (not geared to lower grades, btw), “Suggested Readings”, “Questions and Comments” (these seem to be geared to in-person discussion groups such as book clubs), Index, and “Glossary of Terms” (most of these terms, imo, are well-known and in glancing over them, there were no surprises to me). The book is 196 fairly brief pages in fairly large print, and written in a way that would be understandable to most high school seniors, I think. In other words, this is not a book geared to college professors and it is not at all high-brow or esoteric, imo. If one would count the pages of only the text itself, I think that it would amount to fewer than 150 pages (or less than half that if the print was like most history books -- the book took only about 90 minutes for me to read, I think).

The following are some very brief excerpts (so as to not violate any laws) in italics, and I am not going to make any of my own comments until possibly later in the thread. , as I don't want to put my personal slant or opinion on any of the following. These are all quotes taken exactly from the book.

QUOTED EXCERPTS FROM THE BOOK, CRITICAL RACE THEORY: An Introduction, Third Edition by Richard Delgado and Jean Stefancic, with a foreword by Angela Harris. Published in 2017 by New York University

Pgs. 64-65: “When we are a tackling a structure as deeply embedded as race, radical measures are in order – otherwise the system swallows up the small improvements one has made, and everything goes back to the way it was.”

Pg. 90: “According to a famous list by Peggy McIntosh, white people enjoy and can count on forty-six privileges that attach my reason of having white skin, including the assurance that store clerks will not follow them around, that people will not cross the street to avoid them at night, that their achievements will not be regarded as exceptional or “a credit to their race”, or that their occasional mistakes will not be attributed to biological inferiority. Scholars of white privilege write that white people benefit from a system of favors, exchanges, and courtesies from which outsiders of color are frequently excluded.”

Pg. 91: “So, is affirmative action a case of “reverse discrimination” against whites? Part of the suggestion that it rests on an implicit assumption of innocence on the part of the white person displaced by affirmative action. The narrative behind this assumption characterizes whites as innocent, a powerful metaphor, and blacks as – what? Presumably, the opposite of innocent, namely, guilty. They are like thieves who enter where they do not belong and take things that others have worked hard for. By contrast, many critical race theorists and social scientists hold that racism is pervasive, systemic, and deeply ingrained. If we take this perspective, then no white member of society seems quite so innocent.”

Pg. 119: “Many critical race scholars recognize that poverty and race intersect in complex ways, so that the predicament of very poor minority families differs in degree from that of their white counterparts. White poverty – except, perhaps, for the rural kind – sometimes lasts for only a generation or two, even for white immigrant families. Not so for black and brown families. By the same token, middle-class or professional status for blacks, browns, or American Indians is less secure than for others. Their children can fall from grace with breathtaking speed; sometimes all it takes is one arrest or a few very low grades in school.”

Pg. 122: “Other critical race scholars urge jury nullifications to combat the disproportionate incarceration of young black men. In this practice, the jury . . . uses its judgment, sometimes ignoring instructions from the judge [snip]. If the jury believes that the police system is racist or that the young man is of more use to the community free than behind bars, it will vote to acquit. (See also discussion of antisnitching campaigns in chapter 4.). One federal judge, versed in critical race theory, applied a similar analysis in the case of a black defendant. Under a three-strikes-and-you’re-out type of law, the judge was required to sentence the man to a long term. On noticing that that the man’s two previous offenses had been automobile connected, the judge refused to do so. Reasoning that racial profiling by the police causes black motorists to be pulled over more frequently than whites . . . she sentenced him to the shorter term appropriate for nonrepeat offenders.”

Pg. 132: “Conservatives make points by charging that affirmative action gives jobs or placements in academic programs to individuals who do not deserve them. The public receives incompetent service, while better-qualified workers or students are shunted aside. This argument has resonated with certain liberals who equate fairness with color-blindness and equal opportunity rather than equal results (see chapter 2). CRT’s critique of merit takes a number of forms, all designed to show that the notion is far from the neutral standard that its supporters imagine it to be.”

Pg. 139: “The Supreme Court has recently approved voting requirements that have a disproportionate effect on minority voting. Until the country’s demographic makeup shifts even more decisively, efforts must continue to counter minority underrepresentation. Cumulative voting, proposed by a leading critical race theorist, would circumvent some of these problems by allowing voters facing a slate of ten candidates, for example, to place all ten of their votes on one, so that if one of the candidates, say, is an African American whose record and positions are attractive to that community, the candidate should be able to win
election.”

Page 156: “[A]ctivists will need to pursue zealously the goal of economic democracy, so that the currently disproportionate numbers of people of color who suffer intense poverty receive a decent level of health care, education, and education so that they – or at least their children – have a chance at mainstream American life. They will need to clarify, as well, the relationship between race and class as separate but overlapping vectors o disadvantage. Above all, they will need to marshal every conceivable argument, exploit every *****, crack and glimmer or interest convergence to make these reforms palatable to a majority that at only a few times in its history has seen to tolerate them, then they will need to assure through appropriate legislation and other structural measures that the reforms cannot easily be undone. This may necessitate making connections with counterparts in foreign countries so as to draw on their experiences and learn from each other.”


END EXCERPTS

NOTE: Of course, I have left out some major chunks and not addressed some chapters at all, but I have just selected a few points to, I hope, give a general idea of CRT.


P.S. On Edit: The ***** above was auto-edited because the word is ALSO a noun that is also a slur against a person of Chinese ancestry. (Gotta love aut0-censor!)
The above quotes are about stirring up hatred against a racial group. It's the sort of thing one sees being pushed in the early stages of stirring up genocide.
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