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Old 07-13-2021, 07:38 AM
 
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How did the US have such "a hand in this"? Cuba is an independent country and should be able to provide from their own resources. This in spite of a decades of support from the Soviet Union. Where, BTW, Communism also proved a failure and was responsible for the deaths of millions. The greater and more extreme extent to which a nation embraces socialism, the greater the failure they are.
seriously?
did covid not teach us anything about reliance on other nations for critical supplies?

if powerful countries like china and the US rely on other nations for manufacturing, food, etc., how do you expect a tiny island country under sanctions for half a century to be self sufficient?

like on a scale of 1-10, how serious were you with this question?
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Old 07-13-2021, 07:43 AM
 
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When will folks realize that, the US can not be a world police anymore? It simply does not have mojo and $$ to be so. It ran out of Afghan like a dog, with tail tucked between its hind legs. And now you want it to get involved with two islands, one of them being nothing but a gang land?

US CAN'T AFFORD anymore.
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Old 07-13-2021, 08:34 AM
 
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The US govt has their hand in this, by starving the country from needed resources and trade.
Why couldn’t they get their supplies from South America and Mexico?
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Old 07-13-2021, 08:35 AM
 
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Really? They’ve been getting free oil from Venezuela, they do business with Spain, France, etc.
They can trade with any nation in the world commie cuba has always been leaches they leach on first on the ussr now they leach on venezuela now they looking to china to leach on!! BUT the castro family lives like KINGS check this out!! https://therealcuba.com/?page_id=74
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Old 07-13-2021, 09:09 AM
 
Location: North of Canada, but not the Arctic
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the Party is not the Government.
The party runs the government in communist countries.
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Old 07-13-2021, 01:19 PM
 
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You are moving the goal posts away from your initial BS to new BS.

You said Cuba has the best healthcare system in the Americas. They clearly don't.

Now that you are proven wrong you move the goal post to life span.

Fact is Cuba is ranked 8th in lifespan in the Americas and behind the US.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...ife_expectancy

They are ranked 8th in part because they are mostly too poor to afford twinkies and mountain dew which is a common American diet.

In regards to child mortality rates, Cuba also isn't number 1 in the Americas.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...ortality_rates

You were wrong, admit it. What does it say when you are so partisan you lie and when caught in it you change the goal posts to a new lie?

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Old 07-13-2021, 02:03 PM
 
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Why couldn’t they get their supplies from South America and Mexico?
Because USA employs extraterritorial sanctions; meaning if anybody in South America and/or Mexico, or anybody else in the world will trade anything with Cuba, they will be sanctioned too. Since most modern companies work across the globe, and their products consist of multiple parts also produced across the globe, it means basically every company in the world has to either follow USA sanctions or be destroyed.

The good thing is that world started to push back. China leads economic resistance, Russia leads military one. More and more countries join this effort. Even Europe no longer wants to stay enslaved by the USA.

Actually, other countries already offered help to Cuba. China sent humanitarian mission with lots of supplies; Russia did that as well; as usual, the only "help" that USA offers is the coup with subsequent destruction of the country.

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Old 07-13-2021, 02:45 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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You are moving the goal posts away from your initial BS to new BS.

You said Cuba has the best healthcare system in the Americas. They clearly don't.

Now that you are proven wrong you move the goal post to life span.

Fact is Cuba is ranked 8th in lifespan in the Americas and behind the US.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...ife_expectancy

They are ranked 8th in part because they are mostly too poor to afford twinkies and mountain dew which is a common American diet.

In regards to child mortality rates, Cuba also isn't number 1 in the Americas.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...ortality_rates

You were wrong, admit it. What does it say when you are so partisan you lie and when caught in it you change the goal posts to a new lie?
Besides Canada, whatever.

They have the best doctors, and all with limited resources and sanctions. Now compare that to Haiti, a pro-US government. The problem isn't 'communism'.
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Old 07-13-2021, 05:17 PM
 
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Some people are clueless in this forum. Cuba has a U.S. embargo NOT a blockade. They can buy from the U.S. but they have to pay Cash!. That's because when Castro took over and declared Cuba a communist dictatorship he confiscated all American investment in the island and refused to pay their debt to investors. U.S. said "fine but you are not trading or buying our products on credit and everything you buy from us has to be CASH"


Cuba openly trades with China, Russia, Venezuela, Mexico, Brazil, Spain and Canada. China has forgiven Cuba 10m billion dollars in debt. So it's not the U.S., it's the Cuban system.



Cuba made their bed. Let them sleep in it. The U.S. can't lift the embargo until Cuba agrees to pay back the American investors the debt they refused to pay back and the theft the government of Cuba did when they confiscated all American investment in the island and there is economic reform within Cuba so if Americans investors are allow back in Cuba, Cuba pays their debt so they take on credit and get with the program.

You think if you refuse to pay your credit cards and loans the bank will keep an open line of credit for you and give you a Gold Card with unlimited credit so you shop at U.S.A Market?. You don't have to pay the debt back but you are not getting any future credits ever or have access to the American market and if you buy American products which Cuba buys a lot it has to be cash.



Again, Cuba made the wrong choices and now they have to pay for the consequences but the U.S.doesn't need them so they can demand the conditions Cuba has to do if they want access to the best economy in human history and have credit but the fact is they won't because they want to hold on to power beyond anything else so the Cuban government blocks their people to the outside and treat their people like property. The U.S. should move along and Cuba has the U.S. demands. Cold War is over and Cuba bet the house with the wrong horse.

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Old 07-13-2021, 05:23 PM
 
Location: USA
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And you believe the data that comes from a Communist country? If you believe anything From Cuba you probably thing th 45 million people killed in Maos China were just late term abortions
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