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Old 07-14-2021, 04:26 AM
 
Location: Florida
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I do think Trump went crazy at the end, just before Biden took over. Trump truly believes the election was stolen. How do you expect he would react? Remember how democrats reacted after Trump won? Remember the investigations, the walls closing in, Putin did it, etc, etc? That went on for years. Democrats unleashed a whole lot of chaos on this nation because their preferred candidate was more unpopular than Trump.
I have the numbers at 4 am election morning. It was stolen.. big time.
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Old 07-14-2021, 05:16 AM
 
Location: Various
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The investigation was to find out if there was collusion between Trump's campaign and the Russians. It's been proven that Paul Manafort was the conduit between Trump and the Russians. Manafort knew who he was working with likely the Russians told Trump to work with Manafort.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ik/3390437001/
Correct, and there was no collusion to effect the election. But you of course think there was, just like you believe trump wanted to pardon Maxwell because she has dirt on him. What you still have is called TDS.
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Old 07-14-2021, 07:58 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Correct, and there was no collusion to effect the election. But you of course think there was, just like you believe trump wanted to pardon Maxwell because she has dirt on him. What you still have is called TDS.
Only discussion what was written in a book about Trump. It's a fact that Trump invited the man to his home even after he released a prior book making Trump to look like a fool. Trump is insane what I have concluded by his actions. Trump had ties to Maxwell he wished her well when he heard she was indicted on 6 counts of child sex trafficking 3 were as young as 14 years old. You think that is something a sane person would say let alone the President?

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Old 07-14-2021, 08:41 PM
 
Location: 23.7 million to 162 million miles North of Venus
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Only discussion what was written in a book about Trump. It's a fact that Trump invited the man to his home even after he released a prior book making Trump to look like a fool. Trump is insane what I have concluded by his actions.
It was a book created to make money, written by someone who said he'd lie when he felt the need and used info in his book from sources that he stated he'd had no clue if they were lying or being truthful. But go ahead and be a good little sheep and continue to believe everything he puts in his books.

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Trump had ties to Maxwell he wished her well when he heard she was indicted on 6 counts of child sex trafficking 3 were as young as 14 years old. You think that is something a sane person would say let alone the President?

And yet , Clinton, Bush and Obama, while in office, had ignored what was going on, even though they knew full well what was going on. She and Epstein were arrested while Trump was in office. He probably could have had the whole thing ignored too, but he didn't. Before Trump became president he was the only one who'd responded to the lawyers requests and subpoenas to aid at least one of their victims, no one else bothered. Meh that he'd wished her well, which was probably a hint to her that Epstein had died while in custody, so she'd better watch her back and cooperate....at least he didn't wish her well by ignoring what was going on ... like Clinton, Bush and Obama had done. And don't forget, if Obama knew and did nothing then so did Biden*.
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Old 07-14-2021, 08:51 PM
 
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The Russians did hack the DNC email server and released bunch of emails though WikiLeaks. GOP lead senate committee found Paul Manafort had daily discussions with a Russian spy. Manafort promised a pardon by Trump so he never disclosed what he discussed. If he had I truly believe Trump would have been impeached.
Do you mean removed from office ?

Trump was impeached....successfully....twice.

Impeachment is a House action.

Once at least one article of impeachment has passed a vote on the House floor (not in committee), the President has been impeached.

The trial for removal from office/or acquittal is nominally called an impeachment trial, but the President has already been impeached before that step.

Bill Clinton was also impeached. He didn't become 'less impeached' by being acquitted at the end of his Senate trial.
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Old 07-14-2021, 09:03 PM
 
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It was a book created to make money, written by someone who said he'd lie when he felt the need and used info in his book from sources that he stated he'd had no clue if they were lying or being truthful. But go ahead and be a good little sheep and continue to believe everything he puts in his books.

And yet , Clinton, Bush and Obama, while in office, had ignored what was going on, even though they knew full well what was going on. She and Epstein were arrested while Trump was in office. He probably could have had the whole thing ignored too, but he didn't. Before Trump became president he was the only one who'd responded to the lawyers requests and subpoenas to aid at least one of their victims, no one else bothered. Meh that he'd wished her well, which was probably a hint to her that Epstein had died while in custody, so she'd better watch her back and cooperate....at least he didn't wish her well by ignoring what was going on ... like Clinton, Bush and Obama had done. And don't forget, if Obama knew and did nothing then so did Biden*.
Except Kell's points can just as easily have been made by someone who is neither an R nor a D and didn't vote for any of those Presidents, which makes bringing up those other Presidents an irrelevant deflection. The subject is Trump, and what Trump did.
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Old 07-14-2021, 09:34 PM
 
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Except Kell's points can just as easily have been made by someone who is neither an R nor a D and didn't vote for any of those Presidents, which makes bringing up those other Presidents an irrelevant deflection. The subject is Trump, and what Trump did.
It doesn't matter which side of the aisle Kell is or if s/he voted or not, it is a fact that those presidents knew what was going on, they ignored it and they allowed it to continue, while it ended under Trump. If someone is going to disparage another over a comment, that they have absolutely no idea of why it was said, then perhaps they should know more about the history of events , despite that you prefer those things to remain hidden.
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Old 07-14-2021, 11:06 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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It doesn't matter which side of the aisle Kell is or if s/he voted or not, it is a fact that those presidents knew what was going on, they ignored it and they allowed it to continue, while it ended under Trump. If someone is going to disparage another over a comment, that they have absolutely no idea of why it was said, then perhaps they should know more about the history of events , despite that you prefer those things to remain hidden.
Epstein was facing prison until death he wasn't the kind of guy who is able to survive in prison. What would you do in that situation ?? He took the most painless way out.
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Old 07-15-2021, 08:42 AM
 
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Epstein was facing prison until death he wasn't the kind of guy who is able to survive in prison. What would you do in that situation ?? He took the most painless way out.
if you say so.


"he wasn't the kind of guy who"
How well did you know him?
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Old 07-15-2021, 08:53 AM
 
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There have been democrat congressmen compromised by Chinese spies. And no one says the Russians don't hack. Other countries do it, and are going to continue doing it no matter who the president is. Setting up private servers out of your home bathroom makes it all too easy for them to do.
You get caught in one lie so you switch to another. Eric Swalwell was warned by the FBI that the Chinese spy was trying to enter his orbit. Upon such notice, he broke contact and worked with the FBI. Unsavory, but all above board. On the other hand, there are democrats AND republicans who were being worked by this spy in Ohio.

And you deflect on Russian hackers (oThEr CoUnTrIeS dO iT tOo) when all the intel showed that Russia was the biggest actor BY FAR (China apparently only dabbled, though I see suspected Chinese trolls on this site).

And then the servers. Which of course is the biggest red herring ever, considering scores of Trump appointees kept using private emails (stored on god knows who's servers) during the entire Trump presidency. But because it wasn't Hilary, it didn't matter.
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