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Old 07-17-2021, 09:04 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Mad_Jasper View Post
Yup. To date, vaccines have never played a significant role in ending a pandemic.
We are seeing it now. Even with variants, the new medical technology can adapt and reformulate vaccines in a very short time now. IMO incredibly significant when we can save millions of lives in the world with such a simple process.

 
Old 07-17-2021, 09:11 AM
 
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You said it yourself, reduced chance. Less spread, less active, less chance. Not NO chance or spread. Not NO chance of mutations and variants. Remember, it only takes one.

EXACTLY what we have been told. Not a 100% guarantee, more like 90%.
Without the vaccines, we would have more cases, more hospitalizations, more deaths, more spread, larger and longer lasting active viral pool out in the world resulting in more chance of more virulent viral mutations.
And on and on.

The vaccines are the only sensible and humane way of managing the Pandemic. May God bless technology!
 
Old 07-17-2021, 09:16 AM
 
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I just checked, and Trump is no longer president. This is Biden's failure.
The Pandemic obviously has a different time frame and course than US Presidential elections, despite what many Trumpers seem to believe. The vaccines are first a Trump success with WARP, then a continued success with Biden sticking to the plan as Job #1.
 
Old 07-17-2021, 09:20 AM
 
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At no time were American hospitals ever "full to capacity."

When someone catches covid, which they need a test to even know if they have it, they're told to quarantine not call 911.

This phony fear doesn't work anymore.
Local hospital numbers and impacts have been very variable, especially early on, based on location and then time frame within the Pandemic. As the Pandemic evolved it typically became less of a problem as medical treatments improved and hospital transfer systems adapted.
 
Old 07-17-2021, 09:26 AM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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The Pandemic obviously has a different time frame and course than US Presidential elections, despite what many Trumpers seem to believe. The vaccines are first a Trump success with WARP, then a continued success with Biden sticking to the plan as Job #1.
Exactly. The pandemic isn't playing just for the 2020 election like many conservatives first thought. Anyone with a non-partisan brain knee this. In fact it seems the partisan brain is continuing it.
 
Old 07-17-2021, 11:40 AM
 
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Freedom is not unlimited. What you do impacts the freedom of other people. That is one of the most basic reason for government to exist.
LOL, the government is not put in place to protect people from each other. It is in place, in theory anyway, to provide benefits that individuals can not obtain on their own. These would include among other things; infrastructure, military, police, and firefighters. Governments are not supposed to be masters, but rather servants. Now days fools ignore history and believe government is a benevolent provider and loving master. It is not. It is full of greedy, ambitious and corrupt people who soon begin to think of themselves as Gods entitled to rule as they see fit.

The only thing that ensures freedom is the right of the people to set limits, as done in our Constitution, and the power of those people to force the government to follow it. A government fearful of it's citizens is a good government and a government unafraid is a tyrannical one.

I love the people who support abortion with the chant, "my body-my choice" and at the same time demand others get the vaccination. That shows more political loyalty than common sense. If the vaccination works, then those that get it are safe whether others take the jab or not.
 
Old 07-17-2021, 11:44 AM
 
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LOL, the government is not put in place to protect people from each other. It is in place, in theory anyway, to provide benefits that individuals can not obtain on their own. These would include among other things; infrastructure, military, police, and firefighters. Governments are not supposed to be masters, but rather servants. Now days fools ignore history and believe government is a benevolent provider and loving master. It is not. It is full of greedy, ambitious and corrupt people who soon begin to think of themselves as Gods entitled to rule as they see fit.

The only thing that ensures freedom is the right of the people to set limits, as done in our Constitution, and the power of those people to force the government to follow it. A government fearful of it's citizens is a good government and a government unafraid is a tyrannical one.

I love the people who support abortion with the chant, "my body-my choice" and at the same time demand others get the vaccination. That shows more political loyalty than common sense. If the vaccination works, then those that get it are safe whether others take the jab or not.
The abortion-vaccine analogy fails since the unvaccinated present ongoing risks to the general population.
 
Old 07-17-2021, 11:46 AM
 
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California is going back to restrictions, with other states soon to follow. Yes, it should be over, but almost half the country refuses to be vaccinated.
And those half don't want us to close so are accepting the risk of Covid which for a reasonably healthy person is very little. But regardless its on them. If the vaccine actually works as advertise nobody who got the shot is in any real danger from the non vaccinated. Yes they still may get it but supposedly the symptoms will be minor. Destroying the economy even more is far more of a danger then Covid is at this point. And BTW before somebody chime in Yes i have been vaccinated but i still spend time with many friends who do are not. They are well aware of the risk but think its minor. So be it. They will be the ones who must deal with it if they get sick. Personall responsibility and all that, you make a decision you live by the consequences of it.
 
Old 07-17-2021, 11:51 AM
 
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To quote an anonymous but very famous expression, Your Liberty To Swing Your Fist Ends Just Where My Nose Begins.
Good thought if the fist swinger comes to your nose, but in this case it is people putting their nose in other people's fist path. If people kept their nose to themselves, it wouldn't be at risk.
 
Old 07-17-2021, 11:53 AM
 
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If not vaccines, how do we end Covid?

Trust in Trump and it will "magically disappear".
Trump is gone and we still have to hear this garbage. It is joe's time now, so why don't you just point out all his good moves instead of hammering a guy long gone?
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