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Old 07-17-2021, 12:39 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Originally Posted by Fisherman99 View Post
From the experts...Unlikely fully vaccinated are spreading covid due to much lower viral load


https://www.healthline.com/health-ne...ading-covid-19


Over 99% of all US covid hospitalizations/deaths due to the unvaccinated


https://healthfeedback.org/claimrevi...vailable-data/
Sorry,
Your first link: The 99% is being repeated without data. Their link goes to another site that doesn't post a source.
Again, the article talks about "wild-type" not the Delta variant.
“The more virus you have, the better chance you have of spreading it,” Patterson told Healthline. “From what we know of wild COVID (the non-variant form of the novel coronavirus), people who are vaccinated are not carrying very much viral load, so the probability of them being infectious is very low.”

Delta is not behaving the same.
"Because the delta variant is new, it remains to be seen how much virus vaccinated people who contract an infection with this version of the coronavirus carry, said Patterson."

Your "experts" need new data. That is what is coming out of Israel. They are out-testing and out-vaccinating the US.

Your second link (which, for some reason, has become a mantra of the pro-vax-low-information crowd):
“99.2% of U.S. COVID deaths in June were unvaccinated people”
99.2% of DEATHS. Yes, I expect that. The vaccine provides protection against hospitalization (and death.) However, that does not speak to infection.

 
Old 07-17-2021, 12:42 PM
 
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Originally Posted by toodie View Post
Over 99%, for now.
Vaccinated people are spreading Delta.
Vaccines are losing effectiveness against Delta.
Read the above links I posted.

I did...you are correct for now... however vaccinated spreading Delta at much lower rates due to lower viral load and vaccines still extremely effective against Delta. At some point in the future booster shots will be necessary for the vaccinated...will promptly get mine when necessary.


Most recent Yale Medicine info on Delta Variant here...


https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/5-...-variant-covid
 
Old 07-17-2021, 12:43 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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The Pandemic obviously has a different time frame and course than US Presidential elections, despite what many Trumpers seem to believe. The vaccines are first a Trump success with WARP, then a continued success with Biden sticking to the plan as Job #1.
Yes, after some hesitation. The J&J pause did a lot of damage. That's on Biden/Kackles,
 
Old 07-17-2021, 12:43 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Fisherman99 View Post
Booster shots will be necessary for the vaccinated at some point thanks to the unvaccinated spreading ever more dangerous variants increasing risk for all...not at that point yet.


Meanwhile...over 99% of all US Covid hospitalizations/deaths due to the unvaccinated


https://healthfeedback.org/claimrevi...vailable-data/

Did you even read the post you replied to?
 
Old 07-17-2021, 12:43 PM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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Now we have a successful vaccine that can save millions of lives in the world. A whole different and much more favorable ball game today.
Successful vaccines are FDA approved and don’t allow you to contract and spread the virus.

It’s time to accept that not all Americans will be vaccinated.
 
Old 07-17-2021, 12:45 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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To quote an anonymous but very famous expression, Your Liberty To Swing Your Fist Ends Just Where My Nose Begins.
Good thought if the fist swinger comes to your nose, but in this case it is people putting their nose in other people's fist path. If people kept their nose to themselves, it wouldn't be at risk.
Except the ignoramuses are creating the peril of another numerical surge and the politicians' knee jerk to lock down.
 
Old 07-17-2021, 12:47 PM
 
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Sorry,
Your first link: The 99% is being repeated without data. Their link goes to another site that doesn't post a source.
Again, the article talks about "wild-type" not the Delta variant.
“The more virus you have, the better chance you have of spreading it,” Patterson told Healthline. “From what we know of wild COVID (the non-variant form of the novel coronavirus), people who are vaccinated are not carrying very much viral load, so the probability of them being infectious is very low.”

Delta is not behaving the same.
"Because the delta variant is new, it remains to be seen how much virus vaccinated people who contract an infection with this version of the coronavirus carry, said Patterson."

Your "experts" need new data. That is what is coming out of Israel. They are out-testing and out-vaccinating the US.

Your second link (which, for some reason, has become a mantra of the pro-vax-low-information crowd):
“99.2% of U.S. COVID deaths in June were unvaccinated people”
99.2% of DEATHS. Yes, I expect that. The vaccine provides protection against hospitalization (and death.) However, that does not speak to infection.

Vaccines still very effective against Delta...booster shots will be necessary at some point though for the vaccinated (thanks to current unvaccinated variant spread) which the vaccinated will gladly get. Very important for all to continue masking up, socially distancing, and following public health protocols as well since more to learn on Delta and future more dangerous variants.


Most recent Yale Medicine Delta variant information here (from 2 days ago)...


https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/5-...-variant-covid
 
Old 07-17-2021, 12:49 PM
 
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Originally Posted by CtrlEsc View Post
Sorry,
Your first link: The 99% is being repeated without data. Their link goes to another site that doesn't post a source.
Again, the article talks about "wild-type" not the Delta variant.
“The more virus you have, the better chance you have of spreading it,” Patterson told Healthline. “From what we know of wild COVID (the non-variant form of the novel coronavirus), people who are vaccinated are not carrying very much viral load, so the probability of them being infectious is very low.”

Delta is not behaving the same.
"Because the delta variant is new, it remains to be seen how much virus vaccinated people who contract an infection with this version of the coronavirus carry, said Patterson."

Your "experts" need new data. That is what is coming out of Israel. They are out-testing and out-vaccinating the US.

Your second link (which, for some reason, has become a mantra of the pro-vax-low-information crowd):
“99.2% of U.S. COVID deaths in June were unvaccinated people”
99.2% of DEATHS. Yes, I expect that. The vaccine provides protection against hospitalization (and death.) However, that does not speak to infection.
A real contrast compared to England where most of the deaths had got an imperfect but effective jab as that article from the Guardian said. https://www.theguardian.com/theobser...een-vaccinated I guess most of the vaccinated used AstraZeneca.

Maybe we should get a second check about ivermectim who seem more useful than Remdesivir.
I saw some older threads on C-D about them who might be worth to revisit.
//www.city-data.com/forum/polit...l-who-nih.html
//www.city-data.com/forum/polit...ent-covid.html
 
Old 07-17-2021, 12:49 PM
 
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Successful vaccines are FDA approved and don’t allow you to contract and spread the virus.

It’s time to accept that not all Americans will be vaccinated.

Yet all we hear from the media and administration is that the vaccines are "performing better then expected". What did they expect? Can you imagine THAT horror show? And they were ok with...
 
Old 07-17-2021, 12:52 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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The abortion-vaccine analogy fails since the unvaccinated present ongoing risks to the general population.
Exactly. Abortion only effects the parent(s) if done soon enough. Not vaccinating can and will spread the virus and get more people sick. I don't know if it is people mocking the abortion argument or trying to make the left hypocrites on it.
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