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As an accountant, we're honestly not that great at math. At least speaking for myself and those I work with. That's why we have the huge adding machines.
The incremental math that gets you to net income isn't as important as HOW you got to net income.
Thanks for clarifying that -- but I thought that most accountants need to at least be able to add and subtract and know how to check for math errors!
I guess I should have known that knowing what deductions someone can take and how to fill out the tax forms is at least as important! All I can say is "Thank goodness for computers and specialized software programs!"
Thanks for clarifying that -- but I thought that most accountants need to at least be able to add and subtract and know how to check for math errors!
I guess I should have known that knowing what deductions someone can take and how to fill out the tax forms is at least as important! All I can say is "Thank goodness for computers and specialized software programs!"
They just look for typos when entering the data. When's the last time your tax preparer broke out pen and paper and checked the math, after entering your tax data into the computer.
Seems like the curriculum itself may simply have additions to the instruction.
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Originally Posted by redguard57
It's pretty simple really.
Math ITSELF is not racist, but the way it is taught, presented, and used, can be racist. The words you use to teach it, the values you say are necessary to know it. Etc...
I had a math teacher in 10th grade who was a racist jerk, and yeah, he helped make me hate math. He would constantly talk about how, if we did not understand the material, we would only ever be able to work McDonalds or as motel staff, like the "illegals." He always directed those comments more at the Hispanic students.
What a shame. I had a 8th grade Math teacher that actually said “Hispanic kids can’t do math.†I never forgot it. Thankfully I aced her class but don’t think she thought much of certain minorities.
Students shouldn’t have to deal with teachers like that while they are trying to learn. Those teachers will be less likely to help certain minority students, creating disparities in the quality of education received.
IQ tests are racist too, because certain groups of people tend to score lower on them. Bottom line, it takes all types of people to make a civilization run. It's time to stop the racism, democrats, and accept that different people have different abilities, and that's fine. Women might be physically weaker. Black males may not be as intelligent. Asian males may not be as physically strong. So what? They all make their contribution to society. Why not embrace our differences? This racist narrative is getting so tiring... as is this push for "equity" as if it's so terrible that one person might not be as good at something as another. So what?
I think this is a good example of why people might feel that Math (or any subject) can be taught in a racially biased manner.
You're suggesting that blacks are less intelligent, and Asians less strong. Both are false.
But to the point of this discussion, if the test is presented in a way that favors certain background or experiences, then it will show those groups in a better light. You should look up the description of Psychometrician's job.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychometrics I used Wikipedia because it's easy, but my career is based on fair testing (nothing to do with race in my career, but I'm familiar with the concept of Psychometrics, and it applies to this discussion).
I'm not sure if your racial bias in intentional or not, but you exhibit why people have backwards views of society.
Simply put, if you measure an octopus on it's ability to climb a tree, they will look dumb. It turns out Octopii are some of the smartest creatures on earth, but we humans don't see it, because we measure intelligence in our own terms. I think you're idiotic view that Black Males are less intelligent is because your view of the world is so narrow that you can't see intelligence if it hit you in the face.
I don't think Math is racist, and I do agree the race situation is being overplayed by all sides. But your dismissal of the facts exhibits either ignorance or racism. Let us know which applies.
Math ITSELF is not racist, but the way it is taught, presented, and used, can be racist. The words you use to teach it, the values you say are necessary to know it. Etc...
I had a math teacher in 10th grade who was a racist jerk, and yeah, he helped make me hate math. He would constantly talk about how, if we did not understand the material, we would only ever be able to work McDonalds or as motel staff, like the "illegals." He always directed those comments more at the Hispanic students.
That's a nice anecdote from days gone by but the proposal talks about a lot more than that by talking about cross discipline learning and looking at other cultures math and so on and so forth. (Starts sounding more like teaching history and social justice.)
I think that most schools at this time already have mechanisms in place to deal with teachers that do the things you describe.
Color me as skeptical but there have been MANY attempts over the years to show *progress* in math for minority students for political reasons and several of them have been dishonest in portraying the success by anything from outright cheating to changing how things are measured.
There is no definitive proof that different races as groups have lower intelligence than the others.
You likely chose your wording very carefully here, hoping that your statement would be interpreted in a way that you would like it to be interpreted, but not exactly the way it is technically worded.
You are correct technically because of your misleading choice of words. BUT, your intent is incorrect. There is certainly proof that different races as groups have lower MEAN intelligence than the others.
Now, in a practical sense, whether or not that makes any real difference is an entirely separate question. But it is what it is and there is no point in trying to deny it, even with sneakily worded sentences.
The bottom line is that there are still lots of blacks who are more intelligent than lots of whites. And there are lots of whites who are more intelligent that lots of blacks. That's the way averages work. It's not an absolute statement (as you were trying to imply but were hoping it wouldn't be noticed), and should never be treated as such. To just say Asians are smarter than whites, and whites are smarter than blacks is simply not true UNLESS you include that word "average" or "mean" in there. And it DOES make a profound difference in the meaning. There are way too many people in this world who insist on categorizing people rather than treating them as individuals.
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