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Peaceful division will be our best hope to prevent civil war.
That will never happen. This is in no way analogous to the Czechs and Slovaks.
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You will definitely know when a Civil War is about to begin. One state will begin arming to fight a neighboring state, and the talk between them will be full of war and nothing else.
That will never happen, but thanks for sharing your fantasy.
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Originally Posted by Cinema Cat
Asking when civil war is warranted is a philosophical question. But civil wars are never planned. They just happen.
That is not entirely true.
When the Declaration of Independence was issued, they hoped beyond hope for a peaceful resolution but they were well aware the German king sitting on an English throne would never grant them that.
They were prepared to fight.
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Instead, these people are working hard to dismantle and deep-six the country because they lost an election.
No, they are working hard to restore federalism.
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They are working hard to paint any opposing views as marxist or communist.
No, that is easy since the opposing views are Marxist and communist in nature.
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They are working hard to denigrate anyone not like them or those trying to find safety or escape from poverty or oppression.
To what are you referring?
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They worked hard on January 6th trying to overthrow the constitution at the behest of a pathetic loser.
I voted 3rd Party.
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At what point is Civil War warranted?
Never.
So he says totally oblivious to the reality that the US exists because of the civil war with Britain.
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Please provide direct quotes from Biden to back up your statements.
Okay.
This is from the BBC.
Biden: Insurrectionists 'need nukes' to take on US government
President Joe Biden says at the White House that insurrectionists would need a lot more than guns to take on the US government because it is equipped with a nuclear arsenal and war planes.
You DO realize that whatever state you move to, the libs can move there too, right? LOL
They tend to stick together...power in numbers. The 1st to leave failed Blue areas are feddup Pubs, that's what I'm seeing in a Conservative part of FLA....lottsa Pubs from Blue states.
Just my opinion on how we can tackle what's going on in this country. Hold people accountable, Republican or Democrat. Sadly I don't see it happening. I am not about finger pointing. Both sides have acted horribly.
Been happening since ancient history, so what’s so shocking about it.
Every country save Australia has had one or more.
Civil wars come in different flavors.
Our erroneously named "Revolutionary War" was actually a war of colonial independence. There are those, plus civil wars of independence, separatism, nationalism, irredentism, and then of course, the real revolutionary wars where a government is overthrown and a new system of government and often organization is born.
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Sometimes they’re like a slow train rolling until there’s no stopping it.
All of them are like that.
You put a pot of water on the fire and eventually the water boils.
There's no one thing. It's a series of putative actions that pile up year after year, decade after decade, and sometimes generation after generation.
In the end, there's typically a series of triggering events that culminate in the actual conflict.
If you want The classic example from The classic essay, just read the Declaration of Independence.
There's a preamble where they state their biases so everyone knows where they're coming from.
An hypothesis.
The presentation of facts and evidence.
The conclusion(s) drawn from those facts and evidence.
And then a generalization expounding on the conclusion.
So, ultimately, people reach a breaking point, and that's it for that.
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With the corruption, greed, elitist control by unelected people, the trend towards authoritarianism, class and racial division being promoted and encouraged, nothing would surprise me
That's pretty much it and in fact that has been the cause of civil wars. You can only break people down into so many groups and throw so many of those groups under the bus and pit one group against another or the others for so long before something snaps.
With respect to corruption and authoritarianism, that disenfranchises people and puts them on the path toward civil war
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Even Biden brought it up. Nobody’s calling him out over it so why condemn someone on a message board for saying the word.
Good point.
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A historian I know says it’s coming. This guy knows the history of the world. It repeats.
I would put the date about 2035-2038 at the latest, if not earlier.
Just my opinion on how we can tackle what's going on in this country. Hold people accountable, Republican or Democrat. Sadly I don't see it happening. I am not about finger pointing. Both sides have acted horribly.
That's not gonna work.
Resistance has to be organized and well led. It requires leadership and organization and there is none.
A leader would have to be beyond reproach, meaning no ties to Trump, White supremacists, neo-Nazis, or even religious ties, right?
Because goal is to appeal to as many people as possible and you cannot do that if you're alienating people.
One of the first things you do is have parents pull their kids out of school.
Why? As I've often mentioned, few of you understand why things are the way they are and how things actually work.
School funding formulas for State and federal funding are based on enrollment.
That's why school administrators are anal about attendance.
No students....no money.
That puts the onus on teachers.
What's it worth to you to teach CRT?
Is it worth the loss of your job and the reduced income results in foreclosure on your home, cars repossessed, bad credit and ultimately filing bankruptcy?
Having said that, it's easier said than done and STUPID-19 proved that.
Having kids home, alone, is not gonna work.
That's where leadership and organization come into play.
You have parents drop their kids off at a church, or maybe a local business will donate space, or maybe parents can chip in to rent a place and you have an adult volunteer who functions as chaperone to make sure the kids are on-task on their online learning and eating their lunch and not shooting and stabbing each other and not drinking, drugging or having sex.
Or maybe a few parents could volunteer to open their homes for 6-8 students to come do the online learning but not through the school district, rather through one of the other entities.
So, the school district takes a budget hit and has to lay-off for fire teachers and administrators.
Sure, the Hiden Administration will probable mandate CRT be taught at private schools, but that would be unconstitutional, but then we expect that from the Left.
In any event, that would be more fuel for the fire and move us closer to civil war.
What about extracurricular activities? Well, nearly all States mandate that if you live in the school district, you can participate in extracurricular activities even though you do not attend school.
What about the harassment they'll endure at the hands of Liberals?
If you have effective leadership and organization, then you have pro bono attorneys to bury them in lawsuits.
1. Disagreeing with current federal spending is not cause for civil war. The voters elected to give complete control of the government to Ds. Increased spending should have been expected given that. You’ll have another say at the ballot box in 2022. Highly likely Rs take back at least the House.
2. Disagreeing with big tech CEOs is not cause for civil war. They do not control all information, only that on their platforms. I haven’t used Facebook in over 10 years, anyone else can make the same choice.
You'd have to ask other voters for D Senate candidates in the runoffs in Georgia (not just yourself) if that's what they were voting for......if they just preferred the 2 Ds over the 2 Rs (in which case no...they weren't voting to give complete control to the Ds because a non filibuster proof majority isn't complete control unless the filibuster is eliminated), or if the whole point of their vote was to give Ds control over the Senate so that the filibuster could be abolished.
in 2022 both houses will switch to GOP and then the leftists can start saying that the GOP is trying to destroy the country or hand it over to banks and oil companies.
Depending on what is successfully stuffed into the budget, that may not matter very much.
My opinion is that, yes, at this point, unless something really dramatic and "miraculous" happens, the only way out of the authoritarian collectivist hell being forged around us is war.
But, having said that, I don't think it will happen all that soon. It has to get much worse than this. Normalcy bias and the "it can't happen here" effect is way too strong right now. Some of us see the evil, some of us embrace the evil, but the overwhelming majority right now are like a flock of sheep, not sensing any danger and trusting their "shepherds" to guide them in the right direction. Sadly, the sheep do not see that the shepherds have essentially become de facto Satans.
Which is admirable. Unfortunately, if you stand on the side of individual liberty, those who disagree with you DO hate you. Therein lies the problem. Philosophically, it's a very difficult riddle to solve.
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