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There didn’t used to be much of a partisan divide on this subject, but now there is, and it is stark. What I find especially wild is that Republicans used to have slightly more confidence in science than Democrats.
How do we move forward as a country when one major party increasingly favors rhetoric and ideology over scientific data?
So basically it boils down to Covid and the divide between democrats and republicans over the accuracy of the pandemic, specifics of the knowledge of the virus, how it is contracted, symptoms, precautions, risks, testing, results, vaccines as reported by the "experts" and the US mainstream media?
And of course your belief of where the rhetoric and ideology was coming from.
I dont think we will move forward as long as long as we continue with this political divide and it has nothing to do with science. Its politics.
So basically it boils down to Covid and the divide between democrats and republicans over the accuracy of the pandemic, specifics of the knowledge of the virus, how it is contracted, symptoms, precautions, risks, testing, results, vaccines as reported by the "experts" and the US mainstream media?
And of course your belief of where the rhetoric and ideology was coming from.
I dont think we will move forward as long as long as we continue with this political divide and it has nothing to do with science. Its politics.
Maybe some people are more questioning to the official narrative... Lefties tend to suck up the MSM more, and they never hear certain nuggets of what could be considered "the truth"
Especially when you see stuff like this:
Wall Street Journal article:
The Flimsy Evidence Behind the CDC’s Push to Vaccinate Children
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A tremendous number of government and private policies affecting kids are based on one number: 335. That is how many children under 18 have died with a Covid diagnosis code in their record, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Yet the CDC, which has 21,000 employees, hasn’t researched each death to find out whether Covid caused it or if it involved a pre-existing medical condition.
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I’ve written hundreds of peer-reviewed medical studies, and I can think of no journal editor who would accept the claim that 335 deaths resulted from a virus without data to indicate if the virus was incidental or causal, and without an analysis of relevant risk factors such as obesity.
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My research team at Johns Hopkins worked with the nonprofit FAIR Health to analyze approximately 48,000 children under 18 diagnosed with Covid in health-insurance data from April to August 2020. Our report found a mortality rate of zero among children without a pre-existing medical condition such as leukemia. If that trend holds, it has significant implications for healthy kids and whether they need two vaccine doses. The National Education Association has been debating whether to urge schools to require vaccination before returning to school in person. How can they or anyone debate the issue without the right data?
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Rochelle Walensky claimed that vaccinating a million adolescent kids would prevent 200 hospitalizations and one death over four months. But the agency’s Covid adolescent hospitalization report, like its death count, doesn’t distinguish on the website whether a child is hospitalized for Covid or with Covid.
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Hospitals routinely test patients being admitted for other complaints even if there’s no reason to suspect they have Covid. An asymptomatic child who tests positive after being injured in a bicycle accident would be counted as a “Covid hospitalization.”
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The CDC’s poor performance isn’t limited to kids or vaccine safety. Early in the pandemic the CDC left us all flying blind by not reporting the medical conditions of those who died of Covid. Collecting this information early would have made it easier to protect nursing-home residents and patients with renal failure or diabetes. It took until March 2021 for the CDC to report that 78% of Covid hospitalizations were among overweight or obese patients.
So basically it boils down to Covid and the divide between democrats and republicans over the accuracy of the pandemic, specifics of the knowledge of the virus, how it is contracted, symptoms, precautions, risks, testing, results, vaccines as reported by the "experts" and the US mainstream media?Its politics.
However - the truth is that the areas with the lowest covid vaccinations in the USA are largely African American and Hispanic areas... What are those? Well, those are Democratic areas.
The "narrative" doesn't flow to well when you consider that.
But, truthfully, the MSM has lied for years. And any poll results can be adjusted to come "made to order." So, this ridiculousness to turning one party against the other, because of covid shot percentages, is just another excuse to divide the nation...
Also, if covid was such a national emergency as one thinks it is, why are hundreds of thousands of people, who crossed the border, being resettled across America? Even today. Even yesterday.
No one is quarantined.
During a 'Pandemic."
Unchecked immigration, now of all times...
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Unfortunately, it's much broader than that. Republicans are taking the rantings of a twice-impeached sociopathic ex-president and his toady followers as "accurate" over and above facts and evidence that they see with their own eyes! It's a real headshaker, I tell ya!
Actually its just a public opinion poll asking a broad vague question about personal confidence in science.
Science encompasses a vast array of disciplines.
That you believe the vast majority or any person identify as a republican give two ****es about the ex presidents opinions on Covid and that those opinions have anything to do with the broader scope of science is no more than your own misguided opinion.
However - the truth is that the areas with the lowest covid vaccinations in the USA are largely African American and Hispanic areas... What are those? Well, those are Democratic areas.
The "narrative" doesn't flow to well when you consider that.
But, truthfully, the MSM has lied for years. And any poll results can be made to come made to order. So, this ridiculousness to turning 1 party against the other because of covid shot percentages is just another excuse to divide the nation...
Also, if covid was such a national emergency as one thinks it is, why are hundreds of thousands of people who crossed the border being resettled across America? Even today. Even yesterday.
No one is quarantined.
During a 'Pandemic."
Unchecked immigration, now of all times...
Right. Yet the pandemic of the past year is not representative of the broader sense of science. To suggest republicans confidence in Science has dropped is misleading. There hasnt really been much transparent science where Covid is involved. The lack of sufficient time would dictate that. Then you have the continued politicization, inconsistencies and continual contradictory information presented by authorized spokespersons and media. I think the confidence is lacking in getting reliable unbiased scientific information and seeing any logical cohesive actions based on "the science".
Observability is at the foundation of science. And I'd say current science is a lot more than "fairly" reliable.
I have no idea what you're talking about here. Science has no interest in "metaphysics."
Science is well aware of complex systems, how to deal with them and their limitations.
Odd that you include psychology, which is a very "soft" science in my book. But you apparently know very little about what's new in cosmology, which does deal with observables and has uncovered some of the greatest mysteries in human history.
Yes, some fields are very complex, but surely science gives us our best, current view of the difficult questions in those fields. You don't suggest going back to reading tea leaves or leaving sacrifices to various gods, to you?
That is an extremely unsupported and divisive view you're holding there, Hightower. I'd suggest letting it go; rejoin the real world as opposed to the one with false, "alternative" facts.
Something to note:
"More and more scientists are now engaging in the popularization of their own fields. I wholeheartedly support this trend for the simple reason that scientists know their turf better than journalists. At the same time I am disturbed to see a growing gap between the standards upheld by scientists when they face other scientists and the standards they uphold when they face the public... [saying] things they would never try to get away with among colleagues."
"Recently at a New York cocktail party, a young physicist was asked how he made his living and he replied that he was by specialty a cosmologist. While it might be debated whether cosmology constitutes a "living," his host remained undeterred and immediately inquired if it would be possible to make an appointment for a manicure and a haircut."- Tony Rothman
What a mess.
Most of this is either non sequitur, consistent with what I've written or just personal opinion.
It is not within the remit of science to examine metaphysics, but science is permeated with metaphysical assumptions. The following are the most basic. Depending on the field of study, the list can become much more cumbersome.
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That is an extremely unsupported and divisive view you're holding there, Hightower. I'd suggest letting it go; rejoin the real world as opposed to the one with false, "alternative" facts. 
