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Folks, I thought only trailer-trash Trumpers weren't vaccinated?
Are we really to believe that these people were all vaccinated and we had SIX breakthrough cases????
Or are they...........not vaccinated????
Since the odds that these are breakthrough cases are about the same as winning the powerball, you have to ask why they weren't vaccinated.
What do they know that we don't?
How do you explain this? Someone isn't telling the truth.
Here is one possibility.
One person was infected (could have been a Democrat *or* a Republican) and the group had an in-person, indoor meeting or gathering that would have otherwise been a super-spreader event. In the absence of the vaccine, about 60 people (within the Democratic group) could have been infected, especially if the source person was unvaccinated and unmasked. The vaccines are about 90% effective. This means that 10% - one out of every 10 - who otherwise would have caught the virus would still catch it even with the vaccine. If 60 people would catch it with no vaccine, 6 will catch it with the vaccine.
Of course 90% may be a bit on the high end especially with the Delta variant and with some people having taken the less efficacious J&J shot. If we go with 80% instead, then the number of Texas Democrats that might have got it without the vaccine might only be 30. (20% of 30 is 6.)
I have no proof of this, of course, but it is at least plausible that something of this sort happened rather than people lying about their vaccination status.
CDC website: COVID 19-vaccines are effective. They can keep you from getting and spreading the virus that causes COVID-19
The vaccine should have been marketed as helping to reduce severe symptoms only.
I would think that everyone in the Biden administration and ALL the Democrats in the Senate and House would have been fully vaccinated by now, So, if the vaccines is so effective then why have AT LEAST eight of those fully vaccinated people now becoming infected in the past week or so?-
One person was infected (could have been a Democrat *or* a Republican) and the group had an in-person, indoor meeting or gathering that would have otherwise been a super-spreader event. In the absence of the vaccine, about 60 people (within the Democratic group) could have been infected, especially if the source person was unvaccinated and unmasked. The vaccines are about 90% effective. This means that 10% - one out of every 10 - who otherwise would have caught the virus would still catch it even with the vaccine. If 60 people would catch it with no vaccine, 6 will catch it with the vaccine.
Of course 90% may be a bit on the high end especially with the Delta variant and with some people having taken the less efficacious J&J shot. If we go with 80% instead, then the number of Texas Democrats that might have got it without the vaccine might only be 30. (20% of 30 is 6.)
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Well, that is possible. Remember the choir practice which resulted in 87% of the 122 members of the choir becoming infected?
HOWEVER, remember that this happened in May 2020 before the vaccines. I just find it implausible that six fully vaccinated people (referring to the Texas Democrats on the plane) could have become infected if the vaccine was all that effective.
According to the following link, 51 Democrats "arrived at Dulles International Airport on Monday evening after fleeing the state in a pair of charter jets," a source familiar with the plans told NBC News. (emphasis added https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/ele...tions-n1273667Does anyone know if the six infected people were all on the same plane, and if so, how many people were on that plane?
But whatever the breakdown as far as how many people were on each of the two planes, that is a much higher percentage of people being infected than 10%! And, again, remember that unlike the choir practice, these Democrats were fully vaccinated. And, yes, their symptoms were reported to be mild, but MOST people who are infected, whether vaccinated or not, have either mild or no symptoms -- and many people, even if they are exposed in an enclosed space for long periods of time, do not become infected at all.
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I would think that everyone in the Biden administration and ALL the Democrats in the Senate and House would have been fully vaccinated by now, So, if the vaccines is so effective then why have AT LEAST eight of those fully vaccinated people now becoming infected in the past week or so?-
It seems that the breakthrough rate is much higher than what has been reported.
The Delta variant creates higher viral loads - hence the greater number of breakthrough infections.
Israel is testing entire groups, whether or not they have been exposed, have symptoms, etc.
What they are seeing is that the percentage of infected vaccinated individuals is about the same as the percentage of vaccinated people. The conclusion from that is that the vaccine does not offer protection from infection with the Delta variant.
However, the hospitalization rates are lower for those vaccinated. You are seeing that play out in the UK.
This group of Democrats, tested positive for the virus. That's all, tested positive. Infection does not equal hospitalization (or death.)
The population of hospitalized with COVID19 across the US is mostly unvaccinated. The vaccine is enhancing people's immune response and reducing hospitalization for the vaccinated.
I do expect the hospitalization rates to change over the next two months as the Delta variant spreads in the US and becomes at least 80% of the infections. I think it will line up with the other countries that are ahead of us in this wave.
Note: I trust the US government about as much as I trust the Chinese government to tell us the truth. Research, research, research... and avoid Google as a search engine.
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I would think that everyone in the Biden administration and ALL the Democrats in the Senate and House would have been fully vaccinated by now, So, if the vaccines is so effective then why have AT LEAST eight of those fully vaccinated people now becoming infected in the past week or so?-
It seems that the breakthrough rate is much higher than what has been reported.
Yep, that. And the UK is reporting that 40% of those hospitalized for COVID had previously been fully vaccinated, so the vaccine doesn't appear to be lessening the severity of the disease, either, contrary to what we've been told.
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"Vallance earlier said at a news conference with Prime Minister Boris Johnson that 60% of people being admitted to hospital with COVID-19 have had two doses of vaccine.
"Correcting a statistic I gave at the press conference," Vallance said on Twitter. "About 60% of hospitalisations from COVID are not from double vaccinated people, rather 60% of hospitalisations from COVID are currently from unvaccinated people."
Meaning, of course, that 40% of those hospitalized for COVID are those who had been fully vaccinated.
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Good thing you don't live in Mississippi.
This is an interactive map of the amt of ICU beds in each hospital and how many covid patients are occupying these beds. Baptist De-Soto has available beds at other hospitals and moving patients there from the smaller hospitals that are overwelled due to few ICU beds. The news articles are really hyping this and not letting people know that ICU beds are used for other patients who don't have Covid but need acute care.
As you can see many hospitals don't have any Covid patients in their ICUs - it's congregated in areas where I suspect many lower income people live with already bad diets and health problems.
Black and brown people are vaccine hesitant, so southern states are low vax.
In Chicagoland the main variant is not Delta, it’s Gamma from Brazil. There are four times more Gamma than Delta here.
There have been a good number of hospitalizations and deaths of fully vaccinated people in Illinois.
Thanks to the Biden regime infected unvaccinated illegals are being shipped to our cities and you are paying for it with your health and your finances.
Yep that's another good point.
Many viro-doomer liberals absolutely lost their minds if you took a step outside of your home without a silly mask on, but then THEY DON'T BAT AN EYELASH WHEN HERDS OF THOUSANDS OF INFECTED AND UNVACCINATED PEOPLE POUR IN OVER THE SOUTHERN BORDER !!!
The Delta variant creates higher viral loads - hence the greater number of breakthrough infections.
Israel is testing entire groups, whether or not they have been exposed, have symptoms, etc.
What they are seeing is that the percentage of infected vaccinated individuals is about the same as the percentage of vaccinated people. The conclusion from that is that the vaccine does not offer protection from infection with the Delta variant.
However, the hospitalization rates are lower for those vaccinated. You are seeing that play out in the UK.
This group of Democrats, tested positive for the virus. That's all, tested positive. Infection does not equal hospitalization (or death.)
The population of hospitalized with COVID19 across the US is mostly unvaccinated. The vaccine is enhancing people's immune response and reducing hospitalization for the vaccinated.
I do expect the hospitalization rates to change over the next two months as the Delta variant spreads in the US and becomes at least 80% of the infections. I think it will line up with the other countries that are ahead of us in this wave.
Note: I trust the US government about as much as I trust the Chinese government to tell us the truth. Research, research, research... and avoid Google as a search engine.
Well gee, thanks for the obvious information.
Even pre-vaccine, the VAST majority of covid cases didn't mean death or hospitalization too!
The point was that we were told that vaccinated people CAN'T spread it either! That turned out to be BS.
Also, in England they are reporting that 40% of the people in hospitals ARE vaccinated.
Sounds like your hypotheses are not holding up to actual realities on the ground.
Are you not informed how the vaccine works. Even with the vaccine you can still get covid but your symptoms aren't nearly as bad. The unvaccinated are overloading our hospitals again with many dying.
That means vaccinated people can still spread covid. Which means there will never be herd immunity for covid. It will always be with us.
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