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Old 07-21-2021, 03:55 PM
 
Location: Camberville
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Have you so quickly forgotten how the story started out and progressed all of 2020 ?

It was always made very clear that the vaccine was not 100% effective and that we did not know how long the vaccine would last nor how effective it would be against new variants.


Nothing has changed here, except that the Delta variant is significantly more contagious and causing more breakthrough cases. This is especially true because people who have not been vaccinated generally ignore the CDC and most local regulations stating that they must continue wearing masks indoors.
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Old 07-21-2021, 04:04 PM
 
Location: Oregon, formerly Texas
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it's more like the flu shot than, let's say, measles or chickenpox or polio.

Those don't mutate so you can get protection.
Anything that mutates...like flu or common cold...a big fat NOPE.

And this was said back in January 2020 when different strains started showing up.
That this was going to turn into a situation like the flu...a shot and then annual booster, not to protect you but to minimize the affects of catching it.

They even stated last year they were working on a combined flu/covid shot. And very few paid attention.
Yeah, a coronavirus is in the same family as common colds. It was amazing that we were able to make a vaccine against a coronavirus at all. Never been done before. Much less this quickly. 64% is still really good, and I have little doubt they can get boosters out within a few months.

We need to see how many this actually sends to the hospital and how many it kills, and what the new risk profile is. From what I've read, the Delta variant is more sniffly-wiffly, more like a normal flu, less cough, more sore throat, stuffy/runny nose, fever. Less loss of smell. Less cough. Those were the bad things of covid. If it's causing that significant of different symptoms compared to regular covid it's no wonder the vaccines don't work as well.

It's unclear if it's more deadly or not. Jury is still out. Definitely not as deadly to the vaccinated. If it is not causing as much lung problems then it should be less of a threat.

The news needs to stop sensationalizing it. It is not news if people have what is essentially a head cold.
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Old 07-21-2021, 04:04 PM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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Step 1: Spend the whole year 2020 saying Covid was a hoax.

Step 2: Use covid cases against Biden in 2021.

Sounds about right.
Why not since they blamed Trump for the spread of covid from CA to the entire US.

Make it political..go ahead..as if the virus was cognizant of who is the President of the United States.
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Old 07-21-2021, 04:05 PM
 
Location: Cleveland
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it's more like the flu shot than, let's say, measles or chickenpox or polio.

Those don't mutate so you can get protection.
Anything that mutates...like flu or common cold...a big fat NOPE.

And this was said back in January 2020 when different strains started showing up.
That this was going to turn into a situation like the flu...a shot and then annual booster, not to protect you but to minimize the affects of catching it.

They even stated last year they were working on a combined flu/covid shot. And very few paid attention.
This is also why people lose their s*** when you compare Covid to the flu. It means you've gotten too close to the truth.
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Old 07-21-2021, 04:08 PM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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It was always made very clear that the vaccine was not 100% effective and that we did not know how long the vaccine would last nor how effective it would be against new variants.


Nothing has changed here, except that the Delta variant is significantly more contagious and causing more breakthrough cases. This is especially true because people who have not been vaccinated generally ignore the CDC and most local regulations stating that they must continue wearing masks indoors.
What happened to herd immunity to make the virus end ?
Did you forget that story ?

How they eliminated polio was shouted from the rooftops as an example of what they planned to do with covid.
70-80% get their shots, create herd immunity and that nasty virus would disappear.
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Old 07-21-2021, 04:13 PM
 
Location: Oregon, formerly Texas
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Why not since they blamed Trump for the spread of covid from CA to the entire US.

Make it political..go ahead..as if the virus was cognizant of who is the President of the United States.
I didn't blame Trump for covid. It was his own fault he reacted as badly as he did. If he had any sense of critical thinking or prudence he could have used it to get re-elected in a (relative) landslide.

The lesson was there from the 1918 Spanish Influenza. The worst world leaders in that pandemic were the ones who downplayed the disease and lied about it. That was EXACTLY what Trump did. He treated it like a PR problem. Also show some empathy for the people suffering.

Trump could have followed the lead of a Republican like Mike DeWine - support some restrictions with clear and consistent guidelines of when to ramp them up and when to relax them. The next best thing he could have done would have been to acknowledge it but then minimize discussion of it. Angela Merkel kind of took that approach.

But no, he tried to fight it. He wanted it to go away. Kept saying it would go away. Like yelling at a hurricane to turn around.
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Old 07-21-2021, 04:15 PM
 
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Of course you can still catch it.. What matters is are people dying/getting hospitalized in record numbers after being fully vaccinated? If not then who cares. They just caught the sniffles. They'll be fine in 2 weeks. Are we now making a big deal out of people catching a COLD?
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Old 07-21-2021, 04:27 PM
 
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it's more like the flu shot than, let's say, measles or chickenpox or polio.

Those don't mutate so you can get protection.
Anything that mutates...like flu or common cold...a big fat NOPE.

And this was said back in January 2020 when different strains started showing up.
That this was going to turn into a situation like the flu...a shot and then annual booster, not to protect you but to minimize the affects of catching it.

They even stated last year they were working on a combined flu/covid shot. And very few paid attention.
The Covid 19 bug so far into the Pandemic has already had many mutations, and yet most of the vaccines still cover most of the variants. This is because any one mutation doesn't necessarily create enough physical change at or near the site where the vaccine induced antibody binds and/or functions.

The Covid 19 is more like Influenza as far as tending to mutate. With the mRNA vaccine technology the original vaccine can be edited to accommodate new mutations. A Covid 19 + Influenza combo is likely, possibly as early as next flu season. And probably not too far off the Influenza portion maybe created via the same mRNA technology.
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Old 07-21-2021, 04:31 PM
 
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It was always made very clear that the vaccine was not 100% effective and that we did not know how long the vaccine would last nor how effective it would be against new variants.


Nothing has changed here, except that the Delta variant is significantly more contagious and causing more breakthrough cases. This is especially true because people who have not been vaccinated generally ignore the CDC and most local regulations stating that they must continue wearing masks indoors.

When can we call this the china virus?
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Old 07-21-2021, 04:31 PM
 
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Step 1: Spend the whole year 2020 saying Covid was a hoax.

Step 2: Use covid cases against Biden in 2021.

Sounds about right.
Well, Biden is allowing a flood of people to cross the borders and not doing anything about it.
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