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And if the law is changed to reflect that rape is legal, you'd go by what the law says? Be OK with it? Not question it? Convince others that rape was needed as part of civilized society?
Mmkay. Good to know.
Don't be ridiculous. Of course not. Rape laws will always stand, and women will help guarantee they do.
As for you, I understand without a doubt that you quite passionately want all or nearly all abortion banned. But that is your right to want that. And if it never gets accomplished, then try to live with it, if possible.
"Reducing abortion by shuttering clinics and erecting logistical barriers for patients is in direct conflict with sound public health policy, and the debate should not be framed based on the false premise that any reduction in abortion is a good outcome. Rather, it is critical to remember that timely and affordable access to abortion should be available to anyone who wants and needs it." (my emphasis: markets be damned)
Got to find the funding for those who do need it. Where does it come from? btw: diaper manufactures and all those that make money off of baby paraphernalia they are going to need help too, if they are going to stay in business as the result of the decline in birth rates ...
Can you say ... Government subsidies?
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No, they don't need funding.
Imagine if the billions in donor money went to help teen moms/single moms and their babies ... how much good it could do.
But ... kill babies because they need to be dead. Gotcha.
Supply and demand. he manufacturers will figure it out. If Hobby Lobby and Chic fil A can close 1 day a week, not operate 24/7, and still post healthy profits, so can other companies.
Kill babies because they need to be dead? The law is not to legislate morals. Our morals have nothing to do with the law. We are not the first society in the past 4000 years to have this issue and we certainly will not be the last.
At one point and time (another moral issue) slavery was a good market. Then it came to be that it was illegal for the governments to tax people as property. In essence it is now an unregulated market and is a multi-billion dollar industry with more people enslaved today, than in the history of the practice of slavery ...
Before Roe v Wade abortions were an unregulated market; back ally abortions by people posing to be doctors that weren't and I'm sure there was a lot of money floating around in those back allies, as well. What the abortion market was missing was its competition from Birth Control ... developing that changed everything in supply and demand.
What didn't change was the need for safe medical practice ... guaranteed with all decision ever made concerning laws and people rights ... Tax dollars will decided the outcome. While the markets are the indicator as to what is actually going on in any industry, the government will decide the services value. (we no long live in a free market economy, that shipped sailed a long time ago)
Since the States (see to the welfare of its citizens) flip the bills it stands to reason abortion is a State issue, not a Federal one with citizens in these States voting on the service need. Rather than someone a thousands of miles away dictating what will and will not be done concerning the law and its taxes.
Don't be ridiculous. Of course not. Rape laws will always stand, and women will help guarantee they do.
As for you, I understand without a doubt that you quite passionately want all or nearly all abortion banned. But that is your right to want that. And if it never gets accomplished, then try to live with it, if possible.
You are using the law as an absolute. By tying your allegiance to the law, you are tying your conscience to it also.
Suppose slavery is made legal again. You OK with that? What IF rape were made legal? Pretending it will never happen doesn't answer the questions of your conscience. Laws. Change.
You mentioned multiple times how fearful you are that Republicans will ban abortions. If that happens, will you *suddenly* agree with the law and be horrified at any woman who violates the law? Turn her in if she gets an illegal abortion? Demand she be tried for murder?
You cannot hide behind the law when deciding for yourself what you think is right or wrong. Not what the law is.
Because laws always change. Does your conscience change as well? Rhetorical questions.
Before Roe v Wade abortions were an unregulated market; back ally abortions by people posing to be doctors that weren't and I'm sure there was a lot of money floating around in those back allies, as well. What the abortion market was missing was its competition from Birth Control ... developing that changed everything in supply and demand.
What didn't change was the need for safe medical practice ... guaranteed with all decision ever made concerning laws and people rights ... Tax dollars will decided the outcome. While the markets are the indicator as to what is actually going on in any industry, the government will decide the services value. (we no long live in a free market economy, that shipped sailed a long time ago)
Since the States (see to the welfare of its citizens) flip the bills it stands to reason abortion is a State issue, not a Federal one with citizens in these States voting on the service need. Rather than someone a thousands of miles away dictating what will and will not be done concerning the law and its taxes.
I've done research regarding the allegations of "back alley abortions."
I suggest you do as well.
The story is not the one we've been told. It was pulled from thin air.
You're saying they want the higher death rates for minorities that Democrats provide. Wow.
No, once again, you are just putting words in my mouth.
I'm sure Black folks are perfectly capable of deciding what they want and who they want to vote for.
Clearly, they are not wanting to vote for Republicans in any large number.
Maybe that will change magically in the next year, but I wouldn't advise R's to count on that unless they step up their game significantly to attract them.
That's a good one --- it takes both the sperm and the egg to make the person. So in the loss of one, (deep freeze goes on the blink and looses women's frozen eggs) that's not a baby in limbo. But a lawsuit instead.
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That is a major reason why voters in Mississippi rejected a personhood amendment, meaning that human life begins at conception as well as all human rights.
Kill babies because they need to be dead? The law is not to legislate morals. Our morals have nothing to do with the law. We are not the first society in the past 4000 years to have this issue and we certainly will not be the last.
At one point and time (another moral issue) slavery was a good market. Then it came to be that it was illegal for the governments to tax people as property. In essence it is now an unregulated market and is a multi-billion dollar industry with more people enslaved today, than in the history of the practice of slavery ...
Before Roe v Wade abortions were an unregulated market; back ally abortions by people posing to be doctors that weren't and I'm sure there was a lot of money floating around in those back allies, as well. What the abortion market was missing was its competition from Birth Control ... developing that changed everything in supply and demand.
What didn't change was the need for safe medical practice ... guaranteed with all decision ever made concerning laws and people rights ... Tax dollars will decided the outcome. While the markets are the indicator as to what is actually going on in any industry, the government will decide the services value. (we no long live in a free market economy, that shipped sailed a long time ago)
Since the States (see to the welfare of its citizens) flip the bills it stands to reason abortion is a State issue, not a Federal one with citizens in these States voting on the service need. Rather than someone a thousands of miles away dictating what will and will not be done concerning the law and its taxes.
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Originally Posted by newtovenice
I've done research regarding the allegations of "back alley abortions."
I suggest you do as well.
The story is not the one we've been told. It was pulled from thin air.
Why do they need to ask a question about them? All they have to do is read such laws. Just as when they cite other court cases in their rulings without asking either side about them, they can cite fetal homicide laws without asking either side about them.
In watching the arguments, the Supremes seem supremely unconcerned about the issue of fetal homicide
Supporters of that amendment will never accept for the rest of their lives that most Americans don't favor all or nearly all abortion banned. Even if Roe vs Wade is overturned, Congress won't pass it. It's just too extreme. If Roe vs Wade is overturned, supporters to ban abortion will simply hype it up more, and people will get very sick and tired of it. They will never understand why Ireland repealed its abortion ban.
There are some serious rants about how important this is and how millions of women are freaking out!!!!
Surely these doctors realize how important it is to kill babies each day, right? How they are missing this fundamental opportunity to provide "healthcare" to these millions and millions of women lining up for their first, second -- 45% of abortions are second abortions to repeat customers -- and even third abortions?
Wouldn't stepping up to fulfill this amazing need just propel them to the top of their field, what with the tremendous support from the millions and millions of women just freaking out about it? Why aren't they just building their own clinics?
Sure a doctor with a practice at one of these hospitals in one of these religious right states could just step up and life would be just fine.
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