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Yes men have choice. Like women they can protect themselves from the get go. Biology isn’t an excuse to not take responsibility for your sperm. Like they tell women, know who you sleep with if you don’t want your baby aborted or if you don’t want to parent or pay child support. Using biology as the marker of responsibility it’s even more important for men to protect their future potential children from harm, or if they are of a different mind, to not conceive them at all.
We’ve been reminded time and time again on this thread millions of women use birth control successfully who don’t want children. The same can be said of responsible men. Millions of men never impregnate a woman unless they want a child.
Sure, I have a choice to have sex with you but unless I rape you against your will, you have total control who penetrates you. You have total control to have it or abort it without my consent. So is not the same responsibility or choice, isn't?
Correct. 30 million US women of childbearing age are able to avoid pregnancy each year by either they or their partners using birth control correctly each and every time. If 30 million can do it, so can the rest, especially when there are 4,000+ taxpayer-funded Title X Family Planning Clinics located throughout the US providing FREE birth control to anyone who needs it.
Then what would you like see done about it for women who refuse to use birth control, such as the women who get abortions every year? Make it a felony and make such women subject to prison time?
So what is the method the Guttmacher Institute uses to count abortions since you want to ignore revenues and subsidies that goes higher? That's like asking immigrants to volunteer to tell the government in a survey that they entered illegal to the country while revenues and subsidies goes up in sanctuary cities. You understand that volunteering information in a survey is not complete, right?
This is what they put in small printing in their own website:
Method: We obtained abortion and fetal loss data from the 2006–2015 National Survey of Family Growth (NSFG), annual counts of births from US vital statistics, and external abortion counts from the Guttmacher Institute. We estimated the completeness of abortion reporting in the NSFG as compared to the external counts, the proportion of pregnancies resolving in abortion, and the proportion of pregnancies missing in the NSFG due to missing abortions. Each measure was examined overall and by age, race/ethnicity, union status, and survey period.
You must be a fool to think you get accurate numbers on a survey done by a pro abortion institute by ignoring actual revenues and subsidies (they have gone up not down). . The definition of a survey is: to ask (many people) a question or a series of questions in order to gather information about what most people do or think about something. The reliability of survey data may depend on the following factors: Respondents may not feel encouraged to provide accurate, honest answers. Respondents may not be fully aware of their reasons for any given answer because of lack of memory on the subject, or even boredom.
Not ban abortions. That is not going to happen but you cut the government subsidies and loopholes would be a start for me.
The CDC keeps track of abortion data. It, too, found that the rate of abortion has been going down for a long time. Do you know of any anti-abortion groups that has found under its own research that it has gone up, instead? If not, you're only left to idly speculate that is has.
Banning all abortions, except to save life of mother will happen in a number of states, if supreme court decisions allow it.
I didn't say you were. But you DID inadvertently expose the ludicrousness and total depravity of the pro-abortion contingent's position.
You make it illegal to kill an unborn child solely for the sake of convenience just as it's illegal to kill another while driving drunk. Will it stop abortions solely for the sake of convenience from happening? No. Will it make people think twice about their current nonchalant disregard of being acting responsibly in controlling their own fertility if they don't want a child? Yes.
And what makes you think schools don't teach sex ed? Hell, schools even give out free condoms, etc. Abortion rates are highest in blue cities and states, those which are the most likely to teach sex ed. It would seem lack of sex ed isn't the problem. The problem is lack of personal responsibility, which as the map in the link below shows, is worse in blue states.
So, no doubt, it will make you very happy if all or most abortions got banned.
Don't you want women to go to prison for at least a few years to discourage abortion? Interesting, though, how some anti-abortionists don't want to hold the woman responsible for her abortion by punishing her. Instead, the doctor should be sent to prison. But I believe finding a doctor to give an abortion where banned will be harder to do than now. So, there will be a boom in secretive do it yourself, drug induced abortions. Women doing that will be harder to find than drunk drivers in the street. We'll simply find out how illegal abortions are no better for society than legal ones and likely worse.
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Sure, I have a choice to have sex with you but unless I rape you against your will, you have total control who penetrates you. You have total control to have it or abort it without my consent. So is not the same responsibility or choice, isn't?
Point being we all start off on equal footing in a consensual relationship. Men as well as women should use birth control. Not having a uterus or the ability to carry, doesn’t exempt men from using, diligently, birth control. Millions of men prefer to gamble their sperm away not bothering with birth control. Changing the mindset because a woman carries the pregnancy birth control is on her. Both are responsible. In a split decision does man over ride the woman’s? should the man force a woman to birth? When neither party wants the baby, what then? Men have choice after the fact women don’t get. Men can’t abort but they often “abort” their financial and emotional support from said child, despite court order. Women don’t they raise their kids on their own with all the realities that brings.
These pro-abortionists continue to make strawman arguments instead of just admitting that the answer to unwanted pregnancies is using birth control and using it properly which is effective 95% of the time. They continue to bring up the 5% instead. Yet they still want abortions for any woman who wants one regardless of the circumstances.
My take on this is that they just want wild, spontaneous sex and to hell with even thinking about birth control. Promiscuity is what they want without any thought of the consequences. It's sexual deprivation, IMO. Men can be just as bad but at least they can't get pregnant so the responsibility should be on the woman to make sure that she and/or her partner are protected.
So it will make you, too, very happy if abortion could be banned and women sent to prison for at least several years, or more. It shouldn't matter if they have well-loved children at home or have been positively contributing to society in some other way. Do the crime and do the time.
Point being we all start off on equal footing in a consensual relationship. Men as well as women should use birth control. Not having a uterus or the ability to carry, doesn’t exempt men from using, diligently, birth control. Millions of men prefer to gamble their sperm away not bothering with birth control. Changing the mindset because a woman carries the pregnancy birth control is on her. Both are responsible. In a split decision does man over ride the woman’s? should the man force a woman to birth? When neither party wants the baby, what then? Men have choice after the fact women don’t get. Men can’t abort but they often “abort” their financial and emotional support from said child, despite court order. Women don’t they raise their kids on their own with all the realities that brings.
But is not on a equal footing. The woman decides who penetrates her and she decided to abort it or have it and the opinion of the man is worthless so is not on the equal footing.
I can't force her to take the pills, or to eat and relax. Even to have sex, she has the final word in how and when to have sex. She has the final word if she wants to be penetrated with a condom or not. She has the only and last word to abort it or have it. So is not the same equal footing here.
Men have no choice to have it or abort it. The woman has the full decision here and the men have to pay for years based on the decision of a woman. So is not the same thing, isn't? So the state made it that way, so the woman wanted the ultimate control and final say, so they should get the responsibility.
If I decide who enters my body and to abort or not, then that should be my responsibility overall. That's like a boss making his workers under him responsible for his decision only. How is that "equal" responsibility? is not.
That's another laughable argument.
But what about the men, say the abortion advocates? Really? Great. You want to know what the man wants and want him to be involved? The man wants the baby.
OOOOOH NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOES!!!!!! scream the abortion advocates.
The abortion advocates are SOO interested in the man's POV until he gives it.
Then they tell him to go off himself and it's none of his business.
Woman decide how and when they want to get penetrated. If We men disobey any of their commands, it's rape and our lives ruin. They decide what contraceptive to take if any and how and I have No say. They have the only word and last word on abortion or having it and the men's opinion means nothing. That's not on a equal footing.
No, my answer is that people will be more responsible in controlling their fertility if they have to live with the consequences of failing to do so. Much like being sent to prison for 15 years or so for killing another while driving drunk is a deterrent for those who would otherwise nonchalantly drive while drunk if there were no consequence for doing so.
That is olympic gold tier mental gymnastics. From the poster who has posted more than 500 times in this thread alone. There should be a City Data award for most posts from the same person in a single thread.
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