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Old 12-22-2021, 09:09 AM
 
Location: Retired in VT; previously MD & NJ
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And if you have sex you can get STDs, bruising or tearing, and other infections as well. Some are life-threatening as well.

Are you screeching about how dangerous sex is?
Not screeching about anything. Just answering another poster's question.

Pay attention to the question when you read someone's answer.

 
Old 12-22-2021, 09:11 AM
 
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They do if their choice is birth.
And then some.
Having 300$/month deducted from your payroll check is nothing compared to raising a child.
 
Old 12-22-2021, 09:12 AM
 
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Not screeching about anything. Just answering another poster's question.

Pay attention to the question when you read someone's answer.
I did.

Since you believe childbirth is harmful, don't you believe sex is also?
 
Old 12-22-2021, 09:13 AM
 
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I did.

Since you believe childbirth is harmful, don't you believe sex is also?
You are deflecting. STDs have nothing to do with the abortion debate.
 
Old 12-22-2021, 09:14 AM
 
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If a woman has 3-5 children already and can't support another one then why did she engage in an activity and probably without protection, that creates another child?
Perhaps you should take a course or read some literature on psychology, physiology and human behavior.
 
Old 12-22-2021, 09:18 AM
 
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You are deflecting. STDs have nothing to do with the abortion debate.
Actually they do.

Women shouldn't have kids because childbirth is harmful. That's the argument correct?

Sex is harmful. Life-threatening disease, tons of transmitted infections, not to mention warts, bruising, tearing, inflammation, etc.

Exposure to all sorts of bodily fluids that may be contaminated.

Where's the worry and the handwriting over those issues? Any women who is seeking an abortion has exposed herself to all of that. No concerns?? Why not??
 
Old 12-22-2021, 09:23 AM
 
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I disagree. Men are under extreme stress to financially provide for children they did not want. We know the physical stress on men is worse because they have a shorter life span than women, on average.
Oh please, plenty of men stand up and support their children, even when it’s hard on their finances. If a man is so weak he can’t take care of his children he shouldn’t be breeding. He needs a vasectomy.
 
Old 12-22-2021, 09:25 AM
 
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So you would agree that men should be able to opt out of the responsibility of fatherhood, including any financial obligation, as easily as women can choose to get an abortion?
No as I said men have choice before and after just as women do. Lots of men opt out just as some women do.
 
Old 12-22-2021, 09:37 AM
 
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No as I said men have choice before and after just as women do. Lots of men opt out just as some women do.
I have trouble understanding how some cant distinguish a pregnancy from parenthood. Terminating a pregnancy is not skirting parental obligation. A terminated pregnancy let the paternal parent "off the hook" as well for future financial and parental responsibility for a child.
Once born its a totally different game. Society expects you, man and woman, to care for what they created. Sadly, too many IMO, men and women choose to opt out of this responsibility.
 
Old 12-22-2021, 09:56 AM
 
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You realize that when men can't "keep it in their pants," they're saddled with 18+ years of child support payments. Why shouldn't women have the exact same 18+ year responsibility for a child when they've failed to prevent an unwanted pregnancy?
Because we live in a civilized society, where the overwhelming majority of individuals agree that having safe abortions available to women who don't wish to have a child can do so in the privacy they are entitled to.

There are plenty of countries ruled as theocracies, and you are more than welcome to go join them with your outdated beliefs.
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