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Old 01-04-2022, 06:55 AM
 
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The woman's life is more important than the POTENTIAL life of a zygote, embryo or early fetus. That is the part you are not understanding. The woman's life comes first. The woman has no obligation to become a slave to a being growing within her, so long as she eliminates it early on, before it becomes a viable baby who can live outside the womb.
Then why are you killing the girl babies?

 
Old 01-04-2022, 07:04 AM
 
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Then why are you killing the girl babies?
A zygote, embryo or fetus is not a woman. Not even a person yet. A woman who is preventing a life is not killing anyone.
 
Old 01-04-2022, 07:12 AM
 
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The woman's life is more important than the POTENTIAL life of a zygote, embryo or early fetus. That is the part you are not understanding.
I do understand that. That's why every state allows abortion when the mother's life is at risk.

Other than that, even in California, women have been prosecuted for and convicted of child abuse for such things as abusing drugs while pregnant. Why? Because she can do whatever she wants to her own body, but when what she does harms the unborn child, it's prosecutable child abuse.
 
Old 01-04-2022, 07:13 AM
 
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The law is still on the books, true, but it can't be enforced. Much like the Texas sodomy law is still a law, but can't be enforced due to a SCOTUS ruling(Lawrence v Texas).
It doesn't have to be enforced. The TX heartbeat law does not criminalize abortion.
 
Old 01-04-2022, 07:15 AM
 
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A zygote, embryo or fetus is not a woman. Not even a person yet. A woman who is preventing a life is not killing anyone.
Why are you killing the girl babies?
 
Old 01-04-2022, 07:17 AM
 
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I do understand that. That's why every state allows abortion when the mother's life is at risk.

Other than that, even in California, women have been prosecuted for and convicted of child abuse for such things as abusing drugs while pregnant. Why? Because she can do whatever she wants to her own body, but when what she does harms the unborn child, it's prosecutable child abuse.
And they don't perform "abortions" to save the mother's life.

They treat the mother for the life-threatening condition and the treatment is what kills the baby.

People are such idiots: as if killing the baby "saves' the mother. It doesn't. It's the TREATMENT that is given to save the mother's life.

Idiots.
 
Old 01-04-2022, 07:26 AM
 
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And they don't perform "abortions" to save the mother's life.

They treat the mother for the life-threatening condition and the treatment is what kills the baby.
True.

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People are such idiots: as if killing the baby "saves' the mother. It doesn't. It's the TREATMENT that is given to save the mother's life.

Idiots.
Exactly.
 
Old 01-04-2022, 08:44 AM
 
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Again, this applies to only 5% of all unintended pregnancies. The other 95% of the time, women got pregnant due to their own failure to use birth control correctly each and every time.

It's not just a woman's life anymore when she's pregnant. The unborn child is legally recognized as a separate human life. The woman can do whatever she wants to her own body as long as it doesn't harm the unborn child. That's why women who abuse drugs while pregnant have been charged with and convicted of child abuse, even in very left-wing California.
So what? There is no requirement to use birth control in order to have an abortion. Nor, should there be one. In any case, preventing a live birth via birth control or abortion is the same thing......same end result.

The reason women who abuse drugs are charged is over zealous prosecutors misuing the law. These laws were never intended to prosecute pregnant women unless they were assaulting another pregnant woman and causing the loss of another woman's pregnancy or an injury to the fetus. It is a separate grotesque/misogynistic attempt to control women's behavior unrelated to the topic of this thread.
 
Old 01-04-2022, 08:46 AM
 
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SCOTUS took no action regarding the Texas law, which stands as it did, from its inception.
I could be wrong, but I believe the Texas law in the post you responded to was about the original Texas abortion ban which Roe decided.
 
Old 01-04-2022, 10:32 AM
 
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And they don't perform "abortions" to save the mother's life.

They treat the mother for the life-threatening condition and the treatment is what kills the baby.

People are such idiots: as if killing the baby "saves' the mother. It doesn't. It's the TREATMENT that is given to save the mother's life.

Idiots.
What are you talking about? A woman has an abortion because remaining pregnant threatens her life. Once the abortion is performed, the threat is gone, because she is no longer pregnant. That's totally different from a woman who needs chemotherapy or radiation to treat an illness, and those treatments would kill th efetus. The woman still has the abortion before undergoing treatment.
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