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Old 07-23-2021, 12:07 PM
 
Location: Niceville, FL
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There is a line of thought from well educated and knowledgeable doctors that the mass vaccination is actually making COVID more dangerous to kids (and in the future it will be more dangerous to everyone) because we are losing natural immunity. Maybe it is just me, but it seems like we are seeing more sickness in the younger population. Could it be that mass vaccination with an very partially tested vaccine and this type of virus was not a good idea? I don’t know but it is a question that any scientist and medical expert worth their salt would be exploring.
Funny how the delta variant, which is 80-90% of covid cases in America, came out of an India with a 1% or so vaccination rate at the time and is what’s actually hitting a younger and younger population then.

Or was India secretly vaccinating people without their knowledge in order to create a bio weapon against Pakistan? (And how long before the bitchute video ‘proving’ this appears?)
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Old 07-23-2021, 12:10 PM
 
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It only really puts other unvaccinated people at risk. Base jumpers endangering their fellow base jumpers. And like I said if they want to blame themselves if they end up in the hospital that's fine with me.
But the unvaxed are the pool where the virus mutate and potentially can render our vaccine protection null and void. This is the problem. Otherwise I wouldn’t give a flying #$$ what the anti vax want or don’t want to do.
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Old 07-23-2021, 12:13 PM
 
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Blaming people doesn't solve anything. But being defiant and refusing to wear a mask just because you've been vaccinated will only make thing worse. I wish the Governor the best of luck with this strategy and will hope the best for the 14 million immunocompromised people who are unable to get the vaccine and will be her sacrificial lambs.
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Old 07-23-2021, 12:25 PM
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Location: Pine Grove,AL
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So everyone is wrong and you are right ?
I even used Google. I didn't post about Asians because nobody cares about Asians.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/mo...ity/ar-AAMrh4J
Hispanic, Black communities lag in vaccine coverage; experts attribute to mistrust, accessibility

https://www.newyorkdigitalpress.com/...sses-the-mark/
US Black and Latino communities often have low vaccination rates

https://khn.org/news/article/covid-v...evel-cdc-data/
Black Americans’ covid-19 vaccination rates are still lagging months into the nation’s campaign, while Hispanics are closing the gap and Native Americans show the highest rates overall, according to federal data obtained by KHN.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...ne-equity.html
..some Black or African American people and Hispanic or Latino people are less likely to be vaccinated against COVID-19 than people in other racial and ethnic minority groups and non-Hispanic White people.[1-3] You can view the most current race and ethnicity data on COVID-19 vaccination. In addition to being less likely to get a vaccine, Black or African American people and Hispanic or Latino people are more likely to get seriously ill and die from COVID-19 due to the factors listed above
No, you are just wrong at least with the way you presented the numbers.

You made it seem like 9% of black people were vaccinated, when that is the percentage of vaccinated people who are black.


Black people only make up about 12 to 13% of the country depending on what population data you look at.

So that means Black people are 3 to 4% off when it comes to vaccination proportionally.

The percentage of black people who have been vaccinated according to that Kaiser Family Foundation link that was from April is near 40%, so im sure its higher now.

Most of these numbers were also adult populations, not populations at large. So yea, out dated and misleading.
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Old 07-23-2021, 12:33 PM
 
Location: Chicago Area
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The best way to get those skeptical of vaccination to get vaccinated: Stop shutting down the conversation! You're making people nervous! By all means, lets have groups of intelligent people on both sides debate the matter. Let's lay out all the pros and cons and information for everyone to see. Instead, the government, big tech and the news media is crushing anyone who has a word to say against vaccines. Of course that's going to make people nervous!!
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Old 07-23-2021, 12:36 PM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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But the unvaxed are the pool where the virus mutate and potentially can render our vaccine protection null and void. This is the problem. Otherwise I wouldn’t give a flying #$$ what the anti vax want or don’t want to do.
That can also happen with vaccinated people which makes it a HUGE problem.
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Old 07-23-2021, 12:44 PM
 
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I predict maybe a month or two until the rhetoric goes from "blame" the unvaccinated, deny them jobs, deny them school...to full on endorsement of social ostracism and then violence. You know, to protect public health, of course.


We already endured an entire summer of the Powers that Be endorsing violent protests. Now they have a convenient scapegoat. All they need to do is find a way to mark the unvaccinated so the public knows who to hate. If only there were some kind of scarlet letter or something....

The only thing that will stop this is the emerging data that the vaccines were grossly oversold as a way to stop the spread. They can help reduce serious illness and death, but they will not stop the spread or the mutations.
No, the thing that would really stop this is for everyone to get vaccinated. Then no one can ostracize the unvaccinated, or any of the other horrors you predicted.
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Old 07-23-2021, 12:46 PM
 
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No, the thing that would really stop this is for everyone to get vaccinated. Then no one can ostracize the unvaccinated, or any of the other horrors you predicted.
So violence
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Old 07-23-2021, 12:53 PM
 
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And you come to this conclusion, how?
Or perhaps we are people who have had three different doctors us not to take the vaccine for medical reasons. (Raises hand)

Or perhaps they are long haulers, folks currently disabled by having Covid, and the current numbers being thrown around that there is an estimated 30% whose symptoms get worse long term after the vaccine.

Or perhaps they are parents who have a healthy 17 year old son and are reading about previously healthy male teens and young men getting cardiac problems.

Or perhaps they already have had Covid virus and have read the Israeli studies that those who have been previously infected are better protected from variant infections than the vaccinated. Or they might have read the studies about the more severe reactions to the vaccine in people previously infected.

Do we get to call anyone squeamish about spiders paranoid and obstinate? There is a lot less scientific support for that fear than fear of the vaccines.

Just stop with the ugly stereotyping. If you want to persuade these people to vaccinate in larger numbers you’d have better luck if you tried to understand what was motivating them so you could attempt to assuage their fears rather than insulting them, which just makes them dig their heels in deeper.
Or perhaps we need to stop making excuses for those without contraindications who continue to reject the vaccine.

The government and medical professionals can only provide so much information. At some point, those who claim to be “informed” about potential side effects and benefits of the vaccine, and still choose to reject vaccination despite lack of any medical contraindication, will have to own the consequence of their choices.

That consequence, in the governor’s words, is blame.

Hope this helps.

Last edited by hellopity; 07-23-2021 at 01:02 PM..
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Old 07-23-2021, 01:09 PM
 
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Nothing better to divide a people than have the MSM and elected officials tell you that "it's all the unvaccinated people" and watch them start the masks/shutdowns blaming the unvaccinated.

Well...the unvaccinated are the minorities...Blacks and Hispanics....CDC demographic breakdown numbers.

It's not the "Trump supporting right winger uneducated racist" not getting vaccinated...it's..Blacks and Hispanics.

So minorities are not getting vaccinated.
And the majority of people dying are overweight/obese.

When will the public be informed of these "minor details" ?
They have the public thinking that it's Trump supporters who are the problem.
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