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Old 07-31-2021, 05:45 AM
 
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The bottom line is if more people do not get vaccinated restrictions of some sort will come back. When you circulate in public what you do or don't do impacts other people. Your rights do not trump their rights. That is where the government has a duty to step in. In fact, it is one of the most basic reasons for governments to exist. I am a conservative republican and i am in favor of restrictions on what people who are not vaccinated do when they are in public around other people. Your "freedom" cannot take away the freedom of other people to not be exposed to a virus which can be deadly.
I didn't ask for any restrictions. If the gov't wants to do that.. it is on them.

I still don't understand the argument as people who are vaccinated are getting seriously sick and dying. So even if the entire world got vaccinated a certain number of people would still get sick and pass on from covid.

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When you circulate in public what you do or don't do impacts other people. Your rights do not trump their rights.

I absolutely have the right not to ingest something that *could* damage me -- by force.

At this point there are tons of stories of massive vaccine damage.. more than any other vaccine. I have the right not to be damaged.

 
Old 07-31-2021, 05:46 AM
 
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This regime knows their time is short for pushing the jab, controlling the population and reverting back to tyrannical behavior.
Delta variant has peaked in the UK. Ours will likely peak in two-three weeks. When it does, and the truth comes out that death rates are lower than the fear porn they’re doing now, and most hospitals are not overrun, their ammo will be depleted.
Yes. He’s bluffing because his handlers tell him to.
 
Old 07-31-2021, 05:53 AM
 
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The reason is to get us out of this mess so we can go back to normal. As long as more people do not get vaccinated we will have restrictions hanging over us.


It is long past time to put the restrictions on the people who are causing the problem; the people who will not get vaccinated.
Are you afraid your vaccine won’t work?
There are hundreds of thousands who have natural immunity.
Vaccinating those people is harmful to their health.
Why should they listen to you, and risk blood clotting or worse.
Restrictions? End them completely. That will do more to end this. It has worked in other countries.
 
Old 07-31-2021, 05:53 AM
 
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This regime knows their time is short for pushing the jab, controlling the population and reverting back to tyrannical behavior.
Delta variant has peaked in the UK. Ours will likely peak in two-three weeks. When it does, and the truth comes out that death rates are lower than the fear porn they’re doing now, and most hospitals are not overrun, their ammo will be depleted.
Yes. He’s bluffing because his handlers tell him to.
Exactly, but, I suspect there is no delta variant.

This is the natural ebb and flow of any virus and the cases will go up substantially for the rest of the winter. Though I suspect that deaths will not go up as much.

It will then be abundantly clear that the vaccines do not really work.

But they will be in a quandary. How can they send people back to work when cases are are 80% of last year when we were in lockdown? It would make their prior behavior look foolish. So they will impose lock downs and people will ignore them and round and round we go.
 
Old 07-31-2021, 05:57 AM
 
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I didn't ask for any restrictions. If the gov't wants to do that.. it is on them.

I still don't understand the argument as people who are vaccinated are getting seriously sick and dying. So even if the entire world got vaccinated a certain number of people would still get sick and pass on from covid.




I absolutely have the right not to ingest something that *could* damage me -- by force.

At this point there are tons of stories of massive vaccine damage.. more than any other vaccine. I have the right not to be damaged.

You are completely wrong and do not understand the concept of freedom. When your actions impact other people the government has a duty to step in and regulate what you do. Can you drive 150MPH on a public highway? Can you walk done the street with a container of anthrax? How about keep plutonium in your house? If you are not vaccinated you could be carrying around a deadly pathogen. The government has a duty to control what you do in that case. Freedom in not a one way concept.


If you refuse to get vaccinated the government has and absolute duty to keep you away from other people. Your actions could kill another person.
 
Old 07-31-2021, 05:58 AM
 
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Exactly, but, I suspect there is no delta variant.

Misinformation.
 
Old 07-31-2021, 06:00 AM
 
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Absolutely! It should have been done here from day one.
Hundreds of vaccine injuries could have been prevented.
Recovered from Covid and getting a shot? Bad news. This can cause clotting for one, plus the stress on the body is enormous and effects are drastic and unsafe.
Too many investors in pharma here that want their money.

Misinformation.
 
Old 07-31-2021, 06:04 AM
 
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You are completely wrong and do not understand the concept of freedom.
You are the one that doesn't understand freedom.

The vaccinated are JUST AS LIKELY to spread the virus as the non vaccinated.

Mandatory vaccines would be justified for people who are older or likely to succumb to the virus. But not for people who are not likely to die or get sick from the virus. Right now the virus has a less than 2% death rate. That is not justifiable to force vaccinations on everyone.

This particular issue has not been tested in the court's yet but I feel strongly when it is... the unvaccinated will win.

Can I just say... people who continue to argue this.. you do realize your not changing anyone's mind. And you should realize there is no national mandate coming. So it seems to me that if your goal is to get back to your life you have to stop obsessing on the vaccine because it isn't gonna happen -- and even if it did -- it likely wouldn't reduce cases or deaths by that much to stop lockdowns.

Your problem is the people who elected who enjoy locking people down based on testing.
 
Old 07-31-2021, 06:11 AM
 
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The reason is to get us out of this mess so we can go back to normal. As long as more people do not get vaccinated we will have restrictions hanging over us.


It is long past time to put the restrictions on the people who are causing the problem; the people who will not get vaccinated.

Umm... Not really up to date on your info, are you?
 
Old 07-31-2021, 06:28 AM
 
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You are the one that doesn't understand freedom.

The vaccinated are JUST AS LIKELY to spread the virus as the non vaccinated.

Mandatory vaccines would be justified for people who are older or likely to succumb to the virus. But not for people who are not likely to die or get sick from the virus. Right now the virus has a less than 2% death rate. That is not justifiable to force vaccinations on everyone.

This particular issue has not been tested in the court's yet but I feel strongly when it is... the unvaccinated will win.

Can I just say... people who continue to argue this.. you do realize your not changing anyone's mind. And you should realize there is no national mandate coming. So it seems to me that if your goal is to get back to your life you have to stop obsessing on the vaccine because it isn't gonna happen -- and even if it did -- it likely wouldn't reduce cases or deaths by that much to stop lockdowns.

Your problem is the people who elected who enjoy locking people down based on testing.

Yes indeed~


Lemmings... repeating what their 'Masters' Tells them
... Just like in that Crazy Lunatic Church you see on the Sunday Tele!




Sad (that ppl can't figure this out).
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