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Old 07-31-2021, 07:37 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Gilead
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The covid has become just another weapon like Global Warming, Illegal Immigration and Systemic Racism in the arsenal of the Democrats. The Democrats never let a good crisis go to waste and they used Covid as a cover to ensure mass mail in voting that they manipulated to dump Trump.



As long as they can benefit from it and use it to smear their opponents the threat of Covid will never go away.
Covid is politically benefiting conservative Christians moreso than the left. Conservative Christians get to play the persecution card to get out of adhering to the restrictions and to be able to flaunt being unvaccinated. Meanwhile, the rest of "sinful" society is shut down. Sure, conservative anti-vaxxers are going to be getting sick and dying, but in the conservative worldview that's just necessary collateral damage in the war to restore traditional values.

Also, right now Covid is benefiting Republicans by keeping the economy from fully coming back. Like they did under Obama, the GOP is trying it's best to keep the economy anemic so that a Republican gets elected in 2024.
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Old 07-31-2021, 07:40 AM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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We know that vaccines whether mandated or not will not be a one and done thing. At a minimum, yearly booster shots will be required. It is quite possible that is could be twice yearly or even more frequent than that depending on how long protection lasts and how the virus mutates. We also know that this virus is endemic. Herd immunity may or may not be possible.

Thus if you believe vaccines are the way to treat this virus, this will be a never ending cycle. If mandated, we will have to go through a mass vaccine campaign every year, possibly multiple times a year depending on the vaccine strength and new variants. There can't be any slips or major delays in supplies or development of vaccines/boosters.

The vaccine is basically a trap. You can get out of this trap but that would entail either going the Swedish/Brazilian or Aussie/Kiwi way. The virus will spread again as soon as any significant percentage of the population doesnt have full vaccine protection. The virus will spread as soon as any new variant emerges that finds a way around whatever vaccines are the current ones.

There will always be a variant to be vaccinated against. The vaccines do work but only if you forever take any and all shots/boosters.

Because of the constant mutating nature of the virus, mask wearing will at best be off and on. Possibly permanently mandated in certain areas. Vaccinated can still spread and contract the virus at any time so there will always be a need to protect those that dont have protect either natural or from the vaccines. Even some vaccinated will never have protection or very poor protection due to their genetics.

Its a very depressing situation. Nobody wants death and long term complications from covid but at the same time the question of sustainability needs to be asked. I think there are enough especially most women who are scared of the virus and risks in general that will keep us in a constant state of pandemic restrictions and measures.
In other words, COVID is like measles, mumps, whooping cough, influenza, pneumonia, shingles, tetanus, and a host of other diseases. You need to get booster shots every so often to maintain your resistance to infection.

Get your shot, and be thankful it’s available. I’ve personally lost over a dozen good friends to it.
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Old 07-31-2021, 07:41 AM
 
Location: New Jersey and hating it
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Covid is politically benefiting conservative Christians moreso than the left. Conservative Christians get to play the persecution card to get out of adhering to the restrictions and to be able to flaunt being unvaccinated. Meanwhile, the rest of "sinful" society is shut down. Sure, conservative anti-vaxxers are going to be getting sick and dying, but in the conservative worldview that's just necessary collateral damage in the war to restore traditional values.
So the benefit to conservatives is to be able to flaunt? What kind of benefit is that?

You’re just reaching for anything to attack conservatives.
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Old 07-31-2021, 07:42 AM
 
Location: Houston
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We know that vaccines whether mandated or not will not be a one and done thing. At a minimum, yearly booster shots will be required. It is quite possible that is could be twice yearly or even more frequent than that depending on how long protection lasts and how the virus mutates. We also know that this virus is endemic. Herd immunity may or may not be possible.

Thus if you believe vaccines are the way to treat this virus, this will be a never ending cycle. If mandated, we will have to go through a mass vaccine campaign every year, possibly multiple times a year depending on the vaccine strength and new variants. There can't be any slips or major delays in supplies or development of vaccines/boosters.

The vaccine is basically a trap. You can get out of this trap but that would entail either going the Swedish/Brazilian or Aussie/Kiwi way. The virus will spread again as soon as any significant percentage of the population doesnt have full vaccine protection. The virus will spread as soon as any new variant emerges that finds a way around whatever vaccines are the current ones.

There will always be a variant to be vaccinated against. The vaccines do work but only if you forever take any and all shots/boosters.

Because of the constant mutating nature of the virus, mask wearing will at best be off and on. Possibly permanently mandated in certain areas. Vaccinated can still spread and contract the virus at any time so there will always be a need to protect those that dont have protect either natural or from the vaccines. Even some vaccinated will never have protection or very poor protection due to their genetics.

Its a very depressing situation. Nobody wants death and long term complications from covid but at the same time the question of sustainability needs to be asked. I think there are enough especially most women who are scared of the virus and risks in general that will keep us in a constant state of pandemic restrictions and measures.

Why all the doom and gloom like it's the end of the world? We get flu shots every year because the virus mutates. No one even bats and eye at that and no doom and gloom. It'll be the same with COVID. Stop listening to right-wing propaganda scare tactics and educate yourself on the subject.
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Old 07-31-2021, 07:43 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Gilead
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So the benefit to conservatives is to be able to flaunt? What kind of benefit is that?
To be able to virtue signal. Opposition to the vaccine and Covid denialism is part of the culture war. To take Covid seriously and to get the vaccine means you are a liberal, and in our current political environment, conservatives have to oppose liberals on every issue no matter what because to conservatives today, to agree with liberals on anything is to compromise with evil.
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Old 07-31-2021, 07:43 AM
 
Location: Long Island, N.Y.
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The covid has become just another weapon like Global Warming, Illegal Immigration and Systemic Racism in the arsenal of the Democrats. The Democrats never let a good crisis go to waste and they used Covid as a cover to ensure mass mail in voting that they manipulated to dump Trump.



As long as they can benefit from it and use it to smear their opponents the threat of Covid will never go away.
Indeed; The Weapon


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11mYrDIDDHE

Rush "The Weapon"

We've got nothing to fear but fear itself
Not pain or failure, not fatal tragedy
Not the faulty units in this mad machinery
Not the broken contacts in emotional chemistry?

With an iron fist in a velvet glove
We are sheltered under the gun
In the glory game on the power train
Thy kingdom's will be done.

And the things that we fear
Are a weapon to be held against us.

He's not afraid of your judgement
He knows of horrors worse than your Hell
He's a little bit afraid of dying
But he's a lot more afraid of your lying.

And the things that he fears
Are a weapon to be held against him.

Can any part of life be larger than life?
Even love must be limited by time
And those who push us down that they might climb
Is any killer worth more than his crime?

Like a steely blade in a silken sheath
We don't see what they're made of
They shout about love, but when push comes to shove
They live for things they're afraid of.

And the knowledge that they fear
Is a weapon to be used against them.

He's not afraid of your judgement
He knows of horrors worse than your Hell
He's a little bit afraid of dying

But he's a lot more afraid of your lying.
And the things that he fears
Are a weapon to be held against him.
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Old 07-31-2021, 07:48 AM
 
Location: My house
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It's all about the testing. People get colds all the time. In the paranoid age of covid, everyone is getting tested if the have a runny nose. Nope, it's "covid" have to add this to our database another case. Stop getting tested.
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Old 07-31-2021, 07:51 AM
 
Location: Florida
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In other words, COVID is like measles, mumps, whooping cough, influenza, pneumonia, shingles, tetanus, and a host of other diseases. You need to get booster shots every so often to maintain your resistance to infection.

Get your shot, and be thankful it’s available. I’ve personally lost over a dozen good friends to it.
No. Covid is not LIKE all those other things.Only some of those need boosters.
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Old 07-31-2021, 07:53 AM
 
Location: Sector 001
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I won't end because the authoritarian nanny state made a big deal about it and turned it into a narrative. I suggest taking off your mask, turning off the TV and social media, and never listening to government officials again. If they fire you, or fine you, so be it.

It was 9/11 that made me realize that history is written by those in power, and it was covid that made me realize just how corrupt and money driven society is...how they will downplay and suppress natural remedies and out of patent drugs so they can milk off new therapies they can charge a ton for, lock down society and reckless spend money to line their own pockets, etc. It's basically human nature at work
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Old 07-31-2021, 11:29 AM
 
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Originally Posted by World_Travel_2011 View Post
We know that vaccines whether mandated or not will not be a one and done thing. At a minimum, yearly booster shots will be required. It is quite possible that is could be twice yearly or even more frequent than that depending on how long protection lasts and how the virus mutates. We also know that this virus is endemic. Herd immunity may or may not be possible.

Thus if you believe vaccines are the way to treat this virus, this will be a never ending cycle. If mandated, we will have to go through a mass vaccine campaign every year, possibly multiple times a year depending on the vaccine strength and new variants. There can't be any slips or major delays in supplies or development of vaccines/boosters.

The vaccine is basically a trap. You can get out of this trap but that would entail either going the Swedish/Brazilian or Aussie/Kiwi way. The virus will spread again as soon as any significant percentage of the population doesnt have full vaccine protection. The virus will spread as soon as any new variant emerges that finds a way around whatever vaccines are the current ones.

There will always be a variant to be vaccinated against. The vaccines do work but only if you forever take any and all shots/boosters.

Because of the constant mutating nature of the virus, mask wearing will at best be off and on. Possibly permanently mandated in certain areas. Vaccinated can still spread and contract the virus at any time so there will always be a need to protect those that dont have protect either natural or from the vaccines. Even some vaccinated will never have protection or very poor protection due to their genetics.

Its a very depressing situation. Nobody wants death and long term complications from covid but at the same time the question of sustainability needs to be asked. I think there are enough especially most women who are scared of the virus and risks in general that will keep us in a constant state of pandemic restrictions and measures.
You could be right. I hope not, but it is very possible that we will have to get a booster shot or a different version of the vaccine every year. Just like we do for the Flu. If so, its not the end of the world.
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