Ivermectin, Big Money, and Pharma Politics (compare, government, states, news)
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Let's check back on this post in a month or two, shall we?
And your second-to-last sentence is false, btw. I love how we've been told over and over that 'the science evolves' when it comes to the changing guidance on mask-wearing and other practices, but when it evolves in a direction you (the 'get the vaccine or else' folks) don't like, you're unable to accept it.
Here is just one example from May 2021. One of the most notable physicians to take up ivermectin’s cause is Yale School of Medicine Professor and renowned cancer researcher Dr. Alessandro Santin. The head of a large laboratory at Yale and author of over 250 science publications, Dr. Santin is renowned in his field for pioneering a treatment used worldwide for the most aggressive form of uterine cancer. “The bottom line is that ivermectin works."
As a reminder, the National Institutes of Health’s most recent recommendation was last updated on Feb. 11, when the NIH stated “there was insufficient evidence to recommend for or against ivermectin in Covid-19.”
One last note, I don't have a horse in the ivermectin race. I already had Covid. But it is becoming clear that the vaccine-insistent DO have a horse in the race. This inability to look at emerging information is, perhaps, due to the very human condition that we all want our choices to be the 'right' choices. For some reason, having another option to vaccination is threatening to that need to be right, when we should be able to say anything that lessens Covid is the 'right' choice.
We ALL have a horse in this race.
Another poster just posted what the manufacturer of Ivermectin says about using it against Covid....
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Originally Posted by Leo58
The manufacturer, (of Ivermectin), Merck, has not pursued approval of Ivermectin for Covid-19.
On their website they say:
Company scientists continue to carefully examine the findings of all available and emerging studies of ivermectin for the treatment of COVID-19 for evidence of efficacy and safety. It is important to note that, to-date, our analysis has identified:
No scientific basis for a potential therapeutic effect against COVID-19 from pre-clinical studies;
No meaningful evidence for clinical activity or clinical efficacy in patients with COVID-19 disease, and;
A concerning lack of safety data in the majority of studies.
We do not believe that the data available support the safety and efficacy of ivermectin beyond the doses and populations indicated in the regulatory agency-approved prescribing information.
Merck does not make a Covid-19 vaccine, so i don't know how they would benefit by suppressing Ivermectin.
FDA can't approve a drug if no one has applied for approval.
Last edited by World Citizen; 08-01-2021 at 06:58 PM..
When double-blind RCT studies are done and completed and the data verified, then we'll see what the outcome is, and if Ivermectin is effective and in what ways.
There have been around 50 studies done to date. I think 26 of them have been RCTs, but am not entirely sure on that one. A lot of people want to discredit some of these studies.
As Paul Sax (Clinical Director of the Division of Infectious Diseases at Brigham and Women’s Hospital and Professor of Medicine at Harvard Medical School) said of the ivermectin studies in one of his medical blogs:
"But we have to guard against two important biases here. First, that because we were burned by hydroxychloroquine means that all other repurposed antiparasitic drugs will fail too.
Second, that studies done in low- and middle-income countries must be discounted because, well, they weren’t done in the right places.
My guess is that they didn't want to test people to see if they had antibodies so they just threw everyone in. Also the antibody test isn't particularly accurate with as much at 20% having false negative or positive.
The other thing is that you don't want to make the vaccination process more complicated. Look at how many people didn't even show up for their second dose of mRNA. Adding a test would require yet another appointment and even fewer people would show up for it all.
I said OK to being a guinea pig got the Ivermectin- prednisone and zpac cost me $22 and my zoom copays with Dr. My numbers were 85/86 on my oxymeter for 3 days. After meds that afternoon I had a weird moment and now I read 96/97 no fever and still taking the rest of the steroids. Feel 90% better. Not sure who orig came up with it, but hope it helps everyone- should be free for any can’t afford it. Kiss that Dr for me. I’m 68 just had surgery April n was still recovering with 1/2 vaxed. Had I been feeling better would have vaxed earlier.
Let's check back on this post in a month or two, shall we?
And your second-to-last sentence is false, btw. I love how we've been told over and over that 'the science evolves' when it comes to the changing guidance on mask-wearing and other practices, but when it evolves in a direction you (the 'get the vaccine or else' folks) don't like, you're unable to accept it.
Here is just one example from May 2021. One of the most notable physicians to take up ivermectin’s cause is Yale School of Medicine Professor and renowned cancer researcher Dr. Alessandro Santin. The head of a large laboratory at Yale and author of over 250 science publications, Dr. Santin is renowned in his field for pioneering a treatment used worldwide for the most aggressive form of uterine cancer. “The bottom line is that ivermectin works."
As a reminder, the National Institutes of Health’s most recent recommendation was last updated on Feb. 11, when the NIH stated “there was insufficient evidence to recommend for or against ivermectin in Covid-19.”
One last note, I don't have a horse in the ivermectin race. I already had Covid. But it is becoming clear that the vaccine-insistent DO have a horse in the race. This inability to look at emerging information is, perhaps, due to the very human condition that we all want our choices to be the 'right' choices. For some reason, having another option to vaccination is threatening to that need to be right, when we should be able to say anything that lessens Covid is the 'right' choice.
Nope.
There are still no randomized, placebo-controlled trials for Ivermectin as a treatment for COVID-19.
We can also take the vaccine like tens of millions of others, without any serious side effects rather than hoping Ivermectin will cure the disease once you have it.
My Mom and Dad disagree with your statement on the vaccine. Well, Mom would disagree if she wasn't dead. Dad would probably intensely disagree on her behalf.
Ivermectin was the cure for 6 of us that contracted COVID, so I don't give a damn about your parroted establishment studies.
I KNOW what worked for us and what did NOT work for my parents.
The vaccine’s safety hasn’t been proven. Neither has it’s efficacy.
Um, this is just blatantly false. All authorized vaccines have randomized, placebo-controlled trial data. It isn't long-term, but still better than nothing. You don't even have that with Ivermectin, you only have a few small-sample, unblind case studies. Which, incidentally, are also not long term. You have other studies of safety data, but you have no way of knowing if the dosage that would be effective is the same as the dosage that has been shown safe for other uses.
Clin Infect Dis. 2021 Jun 28;ciab591. doi: 10.1093/cid/ciab591. Online ahead of print.
Ivermectin for the treatment of COVID-19: A systematic review and meta-analysis of randomized controlled trials
Then how did this meta-analysis just come out?
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Originally Posted by World Citizen
We ALL have a horse in this race.
Another poster just posted what the manufacturer of Ivermectin says about using it against Covid....
They haven't pursued approval because it's off-label. They're not the only game in town anymore, and there's no money to be made from it.
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