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Old 08-05-2021, 07:00 AM
 
Location: Rural Wisconsin
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At this point in time, you have to assume that anyone who hasn't gotten the vaccine has a room temperature IQ. The military will be far better without them.
LOL. I am one of those who are waiting, and my IQ, according to my high school transcript, is at the 98.4 percentile. And, btw, 29% of the physicians at the Cincinnati Children's Hospital are unvaccinated also. https://www.cincinnatichildrens.org/.../facts-figures However, according to you, we are all morons.

However, I do agree that the military probably would be better off without people who can think for themselves. Isn't that the purpose of basic training -- unquestioned obedience to one's "superiors"?
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Old 08-05-2021, 07:04 AM
 
Location: My beloved Bluegrass
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At this point in time, you have to assume that anyone who hasn't gotten the vaccine has a room temperature IQ. The military will be far better without them.
I know quite a few officers, including medical officers, whose IQs I would wager are higher than yours, who nonetheless have not gotten vaccinated yet. The vaccine does not have full FDA approval. If this vaccine is so undisputedly safe, why is that?


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On 16 July, FDA accepted Pfizer’s application “under priority review”—meaning it will move faster than during standard reviews, which typically take at least 10 months; the agency now has until January 2022 to review the materials. That seems like a long time, but last week an FDA official told CNN that the decision is likely to come within 2 months. “The review … has been ongoing, is among the highest priorities of the agency, and the agency intends to complete the review far in advance of the [January] Date,” an FDA press officer confirmed to Science in a statement.

FDA has not formally accepted Moderna’s application, possibly because the company has not yet submitted all the required materials.

Full approval could help overcome vaccine hesitancy, Eric Topol, director of the Scripps Research Translational Institute, wrote in a recent op-ed in The New York Times. “Some people who understand that the ‘E’ in ‘EUA’ stands for ‘emergency’ are waiting for full FDA approval before they receive a shot,” he wrote.
If the FDA has hesitancy, why is it unreasonable that ordinary people share their hesitancy? I am more than a bit troubled that the Moderna and J&J vaccines haven’t even gotten the ball rolling.

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“I think it’s fair to say that any number of us who are clinical infectious disease doctors and in public health are frankly a little surprised at how long the process is taking,” says William Schaffner, professor of infectious diseases at Vanderbilt University Medical Center.

“I want [FDA] to be careful. I also want them to move it along,” Schaffner says. “Frankly, I’d like them to work on the weekends. The people who are vaccinating are working on the weekends. The virus is working on the weekends.”
I agree with him.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021...er-if-they-are
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Old 08-05-2021, 07:36 AM
 
Location: Alabama
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Hopefully the military makes it clear that it'll be a dishonorable discharge for the deniers. They'll shut up real quick.
This is the stupidest comment today. What branch did you serve in?
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Old 08-05-2021, 07:50 AM
 
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I know quite a few officers, including medical officers, whose IQs I would wager are higher than yours, who nonetheless have not gotten vaccinated yet. The vaccine does not have full FDA approval. If this vaccine is so undisputedly safe, why is that?




If the FDA has hesitancy, why is it unreasonable that ordinary people share their hesitancy? I am more than a bit troubled that the Moderna and J&J vaccines haven’t even gotten the ball rolling.


I agree with him.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021...er-if-they-are
I'm not seeing hesitancy, I'm seeing bureaucracy.
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Old 08-05-2021, 08:57 AM
 
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And the military has always had ways of handling people who refuse general orders.
Preserve democracy, not exercise it.
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Old 08-05-2021, 06:12 PM
 
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If the rigged election and mandatory vax don't make the military overthrow this corrupt regime, we are all doomed.
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Old 08-05-2021, 06:40 PM
 
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If the rigged election and mandatory vax don't make the military overthrow this corrupt regime, we are all doomed.
The biggest problem with a military coup in a democracy is that it's an evil genie that can't easily be stuffed back into the bottle. Even if the generals put (or allow) another person as the civilian leadership, that civilian and every other civilian will know that what the military did once, they can do again.
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Old 08-05-2021, 06:53 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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LOL. I am one of those who are waiting, and my IQ, according to my high school transcript, is at the 98.4 percentile. And, btw, 29% of the physicians at the Cincinnati Children's Hospital are unvaccinated also. https://www.cincinnatichildrens.org/.../facts-figures However, according to you, we are all morons.

However, I do agree that the military probably would be better off without people who can think for themselves. Isn't that the purpose of basic training -- unquestioned obedience to one's "superiors"?
Maybe true for a children's hospital but many general hospitals are requiring vaccination. Nice cherry pick.

Military vaccinations have been accepted for decades, we don't need soldiers in a war zone compromised by diseases. I guess that amounts to critical thinking as opposed to irrational fear.

Unquestioned obedience. LOL
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Old 08-05-2021, 07:18 PM
 
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In a few weeks the Pfizer vaccine--and yes, it is a vaccine--will be approved by the FDA outside of the EUA. Millions of people worldwide have gotten them without a problem, so yes, they are safe. And while it may seem like this was rushed, the actual work on this technology began in the 1990s. So not as rushed as it seems.
Not true...but keep telling yourself that, and just wait until they start pushing the booster shots. The CDC can't hide the many deaths and serious debilitating side affects being caused by these "vaccines" forever. They are not as "Rare" as the CDC wants people to believe, not to mention the higher number of break-through cases.
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Old 08-05-2021, 07:32 PM
 
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I'm surprised no one has mentioned how General George Washington demanded that his men at Valley Forge be inoculated against smallpox, or how he sent some infected men into Boston to spread the disease among the British.

When my father entered the Army in 1944, he said they went through a machine, rather like the present day airport x-ray thing, in which needles of vaccines shot into both arms. He said that they were not calculated to measure against the particular person's 'width', but the needles shot in: skinny or wide.

Hurt like heck, he told me.

But, they did it.
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