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We'd also be fools not to just put ourselves in the shoes of some Japanese family in Hiroshima or a GI on a destroyer getting hit with Kamakaze attacks but also view this from the perspective of Korean, Chinese and others sitting in Japanese occupied zones, camps etc.
No disagreement there - history can and should be viewed from any number of perspectives.
Imperial Japan was not running slaughterhouses nor death camps. Imperial Japan's military did many extremely evil things many times, but killing 100k people a day? No.
"According to Rummel, in China alone, from 1937 to 1945, approximately 3.9 million Chinese were killed, mostly civilians, as a direct result of the Japanese operations and a total of 10.2 million Chinese were killed in the course of the war. The most infamous incident during this period was the Nanking Massacre of 1937–38, when, according to the findings of the International Military Tribunal for the Far East, the Japanese Army massacred as many as 260,000 civilians and prisoners of war, though some have placed the figure as high as 350,000. "
Hiroshima rivals slavery as one of the most shameful aspects of American history. 100 years from now, people will look back and add abortion to that list.
No, so many on C-D believe (and are correct) that nuking those cities forced Japan to surrender sooner than they would have anyway, and with far fewer casualties than would have occurred if we'd invaded.
Looks like you knew your position was wrong, so you quietly changed what "so many on C-D" had said, to something they didn't say.
Reading is key. Especially when "so many on C-D" do it, while you don't.
You again?
Strategic Bombing Survey. There. Show me you can read.
"According to Rummel, in China alone, from 1937 to 1945, approximately 3.9 million Chinese were killed, mostly civilians, as a direct result of the Japanese operations and a total of 10.2 million Chinese were killed in the course of the war. The most infamous incident during this period was the Nanking Massacre of 1937–38, when, according to the findings of the International Military Tribunal for the Far East, the Japanese Army massacred as many as 260,000 civilians and prisoners of war, though some have placed the figure as high as 350,000. "
The Nanking Massacre was not the work of an actual slaughterhouse.
And as per a previous post I wrote, the Soviet Union - a U.S. ally - had its troops rape German women at will. This was sanctioned by their leadership. And U.S. troops committed rape in occupied Japan and in liberated France.
1) It was 1945, racism was rampant and the Japanese were arguably the worst offender which is saying something. So what? We bombed the ever loving crap out of Germany and we did the same to Japan.
2) The Germans being white didn't prevent us from fire-bombing Dresden and many other cities.
3) Japanese refusal to surrender, suicide charges, hiding grenades on their bodies while surrendering to kill Americans and so forth underlined their fanaticism so if we viewed them differently it was in part something they earned. They were so fanatical that well just look:
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On the firebombing of Dresden and other German cities, as well as firebombing of Tokyo and Japanese cities...
Did the U.S. and the UK commit a war crime through their deliberate targeting of civilian centers in Germany and in Japan?
If yes, then does the use of Little Boy and Fat Man - primitive and obsolete compared to 2021 U.S. nuclear technology, but very destructive nonetheless - on civilian centers likewise constitute a war crime?
If not, why not?
If Germany or Japan got the bomb first and nuked a U.S. city, but the Allies STILL won the war:
- Would a Nazi German nuking of a U.S. city been included into or excluded from the charges of crimes against humanity and war crimes?
- Would an Imperial Japanese nuking of a U.S. city been included into or excluded from the charges of crimes against humanity, war crimes, and waging aggressive war against the United States of America?
If included, then had Japan defeated the U.S. despite being nuked, would the Japanese have been justified in charging the U.S. with war crimes for nuking Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
If excluded, then why is nuking a city not a war crime?
Yes, the bombs hastened the end of the war and saved countless lives that would have been lost if Operation Downfall had been necessary. If I was a GI at that time I would have been cheering the bombs too.
Yes, the bombs hastened the end of the war and saved countless lives that would have been lost if Operation Downfall had been necessary. If I was a GI at that time I would have been cheering the bombs too.
Yes, I agree, as this moment was what it was all about getting to ASAP.
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