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Old 08-06-2021, 10:18 AM
 
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You realize that Trump bought 1 billion doses and we have a population of a third of a billion.

We've given doses to poor countries as we've had a surplus.

In fact the mainstream propaganda media has attacked Trump for buying too many doses and not enough of specific kinds. Such a gas lighting joke our media is.




My dad is a pharmacist and knew a couple doctors that prescribed it from themselves right away before Whitmer threatened doctors.




Whitmer when she wasn't busy stuffing covid patients into nursing homes despite experts telling her not to and keeping that policy a full 2 months after every single other state had stopped, went on live TV and threatened to prosecute or take away the license of any doctor that prescribed HCQ for Covid. Orangeman bad.
Actually, then-President Trump authorized the purchase of up to 1 billion doses, but authorization is different from actual purchase and delivery.

A good sound article:

https://khn.org/news/article/fact-ch...-not-accurate/

Some of the vaccines never materialized or were never approved.

From the link (addressing how the Biden Administration misrepresented what the Trump Administration had done):

"A Biden administration press official told KHN that the president was referring only to orders for the authorized vaccines: “When the Trump administration was in office, there were only two approved vaccines (Pfizer and Moderna) and the Trump administration had not contracted for enough of them to vaccinate all Americans. They only had 400 million doses of these authorized vaccines, which is only enough for 200 million Americans. Upon coming into office, one of our first steps was to ensure that we had enough supply secured for every American. We were prepared from Day One.”

On this point, the Biden White House is correct. The U.S. government had in place agreements to buy 400 million doses of the authorized vaccines, which were both two-dose vaccines — not enough for the entire U.S. adult population."

 
Old 08-06-2021, 10:19 AM
 
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HCQ is beneficial but not a game changer. The game changer is Ivermectin for (1) Prevention, (2) Treatment of Active Infection, and (3) Treatment of Long Haul Symptoms

Merck is definitely trying to bury Ivermectin because it's off patent and they have a crappier proprietary version of Ivermectin in trials that will cost thousands
Therapeutics have definitely been minimized by Big Vax (my new name for the vaccine industry).


July 24th was World Ivermectin Day

They are endorsed by numerous groups around the world.
 
Old 08-06-2021, 10:20 AM
 
Location: King County, WA
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You can't just politically argue these prescribed drugs into working. Their efficacy has to be scientifically demonstrated to a sufficient degree of certainty in large-scale trials. As of now, they have not met the criteria.

Mortality outcomes with hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine in COVID-19 from an international collaborative meta-analysis of randomized trials

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We found that treatment with hydroxychloroquine is associated with increased mortality in COVID-19 patients, and there is no benefit of chloroquine.
 
Old 08-06-2021, 10:28 AM
 
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You can't just politically argue these prescribed drugs into working. Their efficacy has to be scientifically demonstrated to a sufficient degree of certainty in large-scale trials. As of now, they have not met the criteria.

Mortality outcomes with hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine in COVID-19 from an international collaborative meta-analysis of randomized trials
1- They misused HCQ during trials. It has been proven effective in early stage COVID cases.

2- You said we can't politically argue drugs into working. Explain what we are doing with the vaccine right now. You don't don't think it's political? Seriously? Biden goons are going door to door in some locations.
 
Old 08-06-2021, 10:34 AM
 
Location: King County, WA
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1- They misused HCQ during trials. It has been proven effective in early stage COVID cases.

2- You said we can't politically argue drugs into working. Explain what we are doing with the vaccine right now. You don't don't think it's political? Seriously? Biden goons are going door to door in some locations.
1. In large scale trials? No it hasn't.

2. What kind of nonsense argument is that? It was scientifically demonstrated as efficacious before being approved.
 
Old 08-06-2021, 10:37 AM
 
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No wonder the media and our political elites attacked HCQ, their puppet masters Big Pharma
“ Hey Theres Big Profits to be made With These Vaccines Don’t you dare approve of HCQ "




https://www.marketwatch.com/story/mo...old-2021-08-05


https://www.marketwatch.com/story/pf...ter-2021-07-28
oops -- you should have done a little more research.

You are implying the company that made HCQ wasn't used so that Moderna and Pfizer could make money.

What was the income of the company that makes HCQ

Sansofi made 13.5 billion in the USA in 2020.

WHAT?

So in 2020 the company that makes HCQ made how much more than the two companies combined?
 
Old 08-06-2021, 10:48 AM
 
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1. In large scale trials? No it hasn't.

2. What kind of nonsense argument is that? It was scientifically demonstrated as efficacious before being approved.

1- You are clueless on this. There are plenty of studies out there.

Efficacy of early hydroxychloroquine treatment in preventing COVID-19 pneumonia aggravation, the experience from Shanghai, China

The use of hydroxychloroquine at an early stage is a potential therapeutic strategy for treating patients before irreversible severe respiratory complications occur. The early use of hydroxychloroquine decreased the improvement time and the duration of COVID-19 detection in throat and stool swabs.



Early treatment of COVID-19 patients with hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin: A retrospective analysis of 1061 cases in Marseille, France

Conclusion: Administration of the HCQ+AZ combination before COVID-19 complications occur is safe and associated with a very low fatality rate in patients.


2- The "vaccine" is a corporate driven endeavor advanced with political and peer pressure. It's showing itself over time to be ineffective against COVID. IF the government didn't push this, who would take it?
 
Old 08-06-2021, 12:59 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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HCQ is beneficial but not a game changer. The game changer is Ivermectin for (1) Prevention, (2) Treatment of Active Infection, and (3) Treatment of Long Haul Symptoms

Merck is definitely trying to bury Ivermectin because it's off patent and they have a crappier proprietary version of Ivermectin in trials that will cost thousands
Well, HCQ is a drug that was created about 60+ years ago. Even thought is has a fantastic history of working to protect people for decades, it makes sense that science has progressed to the point where we have a better replacement drug. Although HCQ works for so many illnesses and has such a low rate of negative side effects. So Ivermectin has a long row to hoe to be an all around better medication than HCQ.
 
Old 08-06-2021, 01:01 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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oops -- you should have done a little more research.

You are implying the company that made HCQ wasn't used so that Moderna and Pfizer could make money.

What was the income of the company that makes HCQ

Sansofi made 13.5 billion in the USA in 2020.

WHAT?

So in 2020 the company that makes HCQ made how much more than the two companies combined?
HCQ sells for mere pennies a dose, it's not a medicine that makes companies rich.
 
Old 08-06-2021, 01:10 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Yes! I do have a clue how much research costs!...However, there was plenty of evidence that HCQ in conjunction with z pack was effective in preventing being infected as many front line doctors stated. Unfortunately they we’re smeared and attacked as being quacks and never given an opportunity to present their findings. As being a little baby whining. Well...”SORRY” if I didn’t want to see people needless die in the beginning of this pandemic that maybe didn’t have to!


IF they were "never given an opportunity to present their findings", HOW is it that you know what those findings allegedly were?
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