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There's no logical connection between wanting people to "take a vaccine" and "liberalism".
People naturally fear being infected with a potentially fatal disease from others - so their panicked reaction is somewhat inevitable. The only ones who have any relevant authority on the matter are the governments administering it, not "liberals, conservatives", or anyone else.
Also the cliche, overused, and sensationalist references to "terrorism", "George Orwell" are getting pretty old.
The 'connection' is the confusion of the right with the Dems/libs Pandemic related opinions, which are simply the vetted medical opinions, and not politically based.
The right has been intentionally led astray by politically based medical misinformation, and that has been going on since day #1 of the Pandemic.
Forced and coerced vaccination with non approved experimental drugs.
Yet, Trump and the conservatives are the fascists.
Lmao
Trumps promotion of pool disinfectant as a cure over year ago was experimental. The vaccines now have been put in more arms than many traditional approved vaccines. Nobody has grown a tail or second head or turned green with pink polka dots yet. Its proven successful. If there was more transparancy in the approval process, its bureaucratic technical stuff like production capacity that is holding up approval right now. There is no worry about effectiveness at this point. Even if you didnt trust the trials, the real world has shown it safe and effective. For most the worst thing might be a sore arm for a day or two. I got a little lump on my neck that went away, lymph node swelling I suspect. I didnt get freaked out over it, jesh, no worse than a bee sting. Some of you folk must lead very sheltered lives to never have any aches or pains or bug bites or whatever.
Look, the history of flu vaccine is pretty patchy, mostly cause they have to guess months ahead of time which strains will be problematic that year so you get the shot, its probably not going to be more than 25% effective at most. Its really impossible to guess that far ahead in order to ramp up production. The covid vaccines, at least the ones used in this country (some question on Chinese and Russian ones for the newer versions covid) have SHOWN TO BE EFFECTIVE with no more problems than any vaccine might have for certain individuals. There is always going to be somebody adversely affected with any vaccine or any drug for that matter, but they tend to be few and far between. So waiting for guaranteed 100% effectiveness with zero side effects in 100% of people is being seriously obtuse and unrealistic. Any good gambler would evaluate the odds and take the vaccine, its free to the individual and very low chance of serious side effects. Whereas you get covid, not such good odds. Yea you might be one of lucky ones, you might die. Its the unvaccinated that are being hospitalized and dying, not the vaccinated. So if you are anti-vaxxer you really should stay out of the casino and horse racing track cause you are pretty math challenged.
I caught myself starting to second guess my vaccine decision so I spent my last 2 breaks at work digging through google to find all the studies I needed to show spike proteins do not infest your entire body, clog your arteries, etc. Any that are generated largely remain near the spot of injection in your arm anyways, the amount that get into the bloodstream and body is minuscule, especially compared to the potential effects getting covid has on the body.
It makes no sense that a vaccine would continue to do damage months or years later. The immune system learns what it needs to fight covid and the vaccine components are largely broken down by the body within a short period after the shots.
Most people get more systematic inflammation in their body from their diet than a vaccine will ever provide. Donuts, pizza, and other high carb foods while drunk in a society where a third of people are pre-diabetic and don't know it, which leads to metabolic syndrome and chronic, systemic inflammation... and these same people are worried about a vaccine. Human beings are just not good with numbers, percentages, and odds.
People at work who look like bowling balls but scared to get a vaccine... To each their own.
Yes but these are the very people who should be having concerns about having the vaccine because it is among this group that more serious side effects are occurring. That's the irony. These folks are also the group at greater risk from covid in the first place. Between a rock and a hard place.
I am not in this group yet I had misgivings concerning the vax but I took it anyway. A month later I am waiting for the side effects to subside before I consider getting the second dose. The side effects I am experiencing are neither life threatening nor serious but they are there. I haven't been able to work though so some might consider that serious.
But statistically, my particular case is insignificant. Most likely, had I actually caught covid, I would be having the same if not worse effects. Probably much worse - no way of knowing.
As far as that statistic of 0.01% serious effects from getting covid, that statistic represents two family members dead and one hospitalized and another in ICU for over a month, being expected to die more than once during that time. But he pulled through. I would suggest that 0.01% is incorrect. It is more like 1%.
paracord would likely have zero serious effects from covid (or the vaccine). 0.01% would probably apply.
We do not really know what the adverse effect numbers are. Some might make claims but collectors of such data seem to have a bias or at least, could have a bias.
Just saying.
But even so, I would suggest to most that they should seriously consider having the vaccine.
P.S. It seems that my elderly neighbor might have her life shortened from having the vaccine. Emphasis being on 'seems'. Again it's the rock and a hard place thing. Covid would almost undoubtedly kill her.
So you accept that this isn't about just you and your calculated risk. The choice to not get vaccinated does risk the life of others.
We have many laws and regulations that protect individuals from the choices of others.... What you state is actually an argument for mandating vaccines or isolation.
So the people who truly cant take the vaccine should be what? imprisoned? forced to stay in their homes? starved to death? So those of you who are vaccinated are still so concerned about those who aren't? maybe one of you could have the decency to tell us how you want to deal with those who can't take the vaccine?
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