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Sounds like your partisanship has blinded you to some facts.
The US negotiated with and agreed to troop withdrawal by 5/1/2021 with the Taliban in 2020.
Trump Admin reduced troops to 2500 in 1/2021 and facilitated the release of 5000 Taliban fighters from Afghan prisons.
It was known the Taliban was going to take control.
ya so,
(1) what is the problem talking to the Taliban? Both GOPs and Dems did it. It seemed that it was not a bad thing.
(2) we all knew withdrawal was not a bad thing. So, what was the problem with reducing troops?
(3) Are you sure the Taliban is bad? It seems that Dems like the Taliban more than Gops like the Taliban. 5K fighters killed no US troops, but Biden Admin killed 13 (??) US troops because they gave up the airbase where ISIS fighters were imprisoned.
(4) Are you sure about Taliban was going to take control? did you hear the vote of confidence from POTUS
Why are people so obsessed with Bagram Air base? Kabul Airport is literally a short walk from the expat areas of Kabul. Bagram Airport would be akin to taking people through a shooting range before getting there.
Because it had thousands of ISIS prisoners that were freed?
Bagram had a secure airfield that used choppers to transport people all around Afghanistan. Kabul airport isn’t safe, as you saw last month.
You can’t just give up Bagram:
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'The next time we go there, if we need to go there, the 82nd Airborne will probably be the guys that need to take it by force. And then there will be a big expense in dollars and blood to make it happen.'
This. If people only knew the importance of that AB, they wouldn't be so quick to pop off goofy comments. It was the one place that was safer than anywhere else in Afghanistan. Until it got handed over.
If some of these leftists actually knew people who lived at that AB, they would sing a different tune. Must be nice to live in their own little bubble where the only fighting comes from protesting in the streets. If we didn't have people in places like Bagram fighting to keep our freedoms here (even to protest), and keep the attention span of the terrorists over there, a street protest here would probably end much differently. Just ask anyone in countries like China.
Assuming that you can find one. Protestors just disappear over there.
This. If people only knew the importance of that AB, they wouldn't be so quick to pop off goofy comments. It was the one place that was safer than anywhere else in Afghanistan. Until it got handed over.
If some of these leftists actually knew people who lived at that AB, they would sing a different tune. Must be nice to live in their own little bubble where the only fighting comes from protesting in the streets. If we didn't have people in places like Bagram fighting to keep our freedoms here (even to protest), and keep the attention span of the terrorists over there, a street protest here would probably end much differently. Just ask anyone in countries like China.
Assuming that you can find one. Protestors just disappear over there.
Nice deflection. Didn't help.
You cannot transport 100 thousand + from Kabul to Bagram. End of story.
Because half this forum are retired 4 star generals
The generals also wanted to stay in Afghanistan and leave Bagram open.
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President Biden’s decision to remove all U.S. troops from Afghanistan ran counter to the recommendations of his top military commanders, who feared it could undermine security in the country.
Gen. Frank McKenzie, the commander of U.S. forces in the Middle East, Gen. Austin “Scott” Miller, who leads NATO forces in Afghanistan, and Gen. Mark Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, all recommended retaining the current force of 2,500 troops while stepping up diplomacy to try to cement a peace agreement, U.S. officials say.
Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin, himself a retired military commander for the region, shared the concerns of the senior officers, cautioning that withdrawing all U.S. troops would suspend what amounted to an insurance policy for maintaining a modicum of stability in the country, the officials said.
Nice deflection. Didn't help.
You cannot transport 100 thousand + from Kabul to Bagram. End of story.
You can’t have a safe evacuation by freeing thousands of ISIS prisoners and forcing 6,000 troops to be sitting ducks surrounded by terrorists. End of story.
But you’re more than welcome to tell 26 parents that their child’s death was “inevitable” and this was the “only plan.”
Nice deflection. Didn't help.
You cannot transport 100 thousand + from Kabul to Bagram. End of story.
No deflection here..... had Bagram been left open and fully operational (at least for now) until everyone but the military were out the U.S. could have had the opportunity to thwart any potential attacks or at the very least re-engage because they would have had the manpower and firepower to oversee the extractions. They could have also continued to hold the ISIS-K and Taliban leaders who rejoined forces once they were released.
Closing down our base and reducing the number of boots on the ground to replace them with terrorists to oversee the extractions was the dumbest decision that could have been made.
It shouldn't require much more than common sense to see that. Instead we handed them a kill roster of every person that wanted to leave (some of which are still there..... and in hiding), opened the flood gates, and then had to hope that we could get everyone out.
One example.... There is one "group" of 23 "people" RIGHT NOW (I won't get into any details, because I can't) that were supposed to leave. 3 were able to leave. 20 are still there in hiding trying to figure out how to get out.
Yet you'll believe this doof saying that everyone who wanted to get out was extracted. A complete lie, but you believe it because you don't know any better. You may want to start paying more attention and pull the blinders off.
No deflection here..... had Bagram been left open and fully operational (at least for now) until everyone but the military were out the U.S. could have had the opportunity to thwart any potential attacks or at the very least re-engage because they would have had the manpower and firepower to oversee the extractions. They could have also continued to hold the ISIS-K and Taliban leaders who rejoined forces once they were released.
Closing down our base and reducing the number of boots on the ground to replace them with terrorists to oversee the extractions was the dumbest decision that could have been made.
It shouldn't require much more than common sense to see that. Instead we handed them a kill roster of every person that wanted to leave (some of which are still there..... and in hiding), opened the flood gates, and then had to hope that we could get everyone out.
One example.... There is one "group" of 23 "people" RIGHT NOW (I won't get into any details, because I can't) that were supposed to leave. 3 were able to leave. 20 are still there in hiding trying to figure out how to get out.
Yet you'll believe this doof saying that everyone who wanted to get out was extracted. A complete lie, but you believe it because you don't know any better. You may want to start paying more attention and pull the blinders off.
No, I don't believe that. However it is beyond me why any non essential stayed past May (actually should have left prior to that) putting everybody else in danger afterwards. The deal was made February 2020. The end.
You can’t have a safe evacuation by freeing thousands of ISIS prisoners and forcing 6,000 troops to be sitting ducks surrounded by terrorists. End of story.
But you’re more than welcome to tell 26 parents that their child’s death was “inevitable” and this was the “only plan.”
It is a war. A war that should have ended long time ago.
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