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Old 08-13-2021, 09:35 AM
 
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I believe in keeping power from concentrating too much into too few hands. I'd make it harder for entities like Blackrock to buy up large amounts of residential real estate by imposing higher taxes on anything under their ownership.

It's natural for power to concentrate upward and small entities to merge with large ones to form huge organizations... when they get too big they collapse and the cycle starts anew. It's almost a basic law of nature and can be seen in the animal kingdom. It's better to try to manage that as it's happening rather than wait for the bad results that come from a strong concentration of power or wealth.

Wouldn't socialism be the opposite? The large entities own everything? These large corporations essentially become wings of the government in time. There aren't that many vocal socialists on this forum. You might try reddit with this question except most of them are welfare dependents with not a lot of intellectual expertise on the subject but more like emotional rants that lack any historical factual basis.
I think the bolded part is a major assumption, that I don't see as true. When's Amazon gonna fall? Facebook? Google? No, absent regulation, a "free" market eventually eliminates all competition and monopolies emerge, which are bad for consumers and small businesses alike. Our antitrust regulators have been asleep at the wheel for 40 years. They broke up the Bells, but the Bells are just coalescing all over again! And AT&T is arguably bigger!

We need to better enforce antitrust laws. Amazon needs to be broken apart. Cloud services is one company, the marketplace is another, the goods producer/wholefoods is another. That would be a start.

And I don't know if OP is asking the question to actual hammer & sickle socialists (not going to find many of those) or just regular liberals chided as socialists on conservative media. As a regular liberal, of course I believe in property rights. Like most Americans (left or right) my property is my biggest asset, at my young age. That's how this system works. No actual liberal policy conflicts with that. I'd argue current liberal policy of upzoning is better for property rights. Why should the government tell you that you can't build a duplex on a single family lot? If I can put my property to more productive profitable) use, why should the government stop this? It's a major form of oppression most just happily accept.

 
Old 08-13-2021, 09:47 AM
 
Location: Paradise CA, that place on fire
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For example if I owned a two family home and one of the units was empty. And let’s say One day a socialist decides to kick in the door and move in. Declares to stay there forever rent free because he or she doesn’t believe in personal property rights. Would you socialist support that?
You are wrong. I was born in a Socialist/Communist country and they do it in a more effective way. It doesn't matter if one unit is vacant and your family lives in the other.

What happens is a truck pulls up after midnight with a bunch of military carrying machine guns and they tell you and your family to pack some clothes because they will take you to the "country." They will keep the furniture and appliances and one of the "needy" comrades gets the house, or both houses, including a new title.

This happened to my two grandmothers in Budapest during the early fifties. One was a schoolteacher, the other worked in medicine, but if a true socialist wants your property these occupations deserve to be designated bourgeois leeches and they need to be sent to the "country".
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