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Old 08-14-2021, 09:44 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Surely you realize that this line of reasoning could be used for any government transfer-payment program. SNAP? Why should I pay for you to eat? Section 8? Why should I pay for you to have a place to live? And so on. You're already paying for my child to be indoctrinated, one way or another. I would just prefer to have more of a say in what kind of indoctrination he receives.
It is a ploy to take money from public schools for schools that don't need the money because they are funded by a religious institution or a foundation. I'm sorry but I shouldn't pay for your child to go to a school that is religious. Now if you talk about a special education program that is better suited for your child, that is different. The problem I have though is too many people start saying "Wait a second, why can a special needs child seeking education get a voucher, but my child can't? I pay taxes too you know." Ideally, special needs children should get government money but not through a voucher or as Arizona law calls them "scholarships." Arizona voters voted down a proposition (2018's Prop 305) to expand the "scholarship program" a few years back, only for the Arizona State Legislature to pass it in their budget this year.
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Old 08-14-2021, 10:04 PM
 
Location: Howard County, Maryland
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It is a ploy to take money from public schools for schools that don't need the money because they are funded by a religious institution or a foundation. I'm sorry but I shouldn't pay for your child to go to a school that is religious.
Many Christian schools are not affiliated with any church or denomination and are dependent on tuition and fundraising to meet their expenses. In any case, I'm not asking you to pay for my child to go to a religious school. I'm asking that I be allowed to use my own tax money for that purpose, instead of having to pay for the public school plus pay for a private school.
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Old 08-14-2021, 10:19 PM
 
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Many Christian schools are not affiliated with any church or denomination and are dependent on tuition and fundraising to meet their expenses. In any case, I'm not asking you to pay for my child to go to a religious school. I'm asking that I be allowed to use my own tax money for that purpose, instead of having to pay for the public school plus pay for a private school.
The taxes you pay for public schools wouldn't even cover a half a year of a private schools tuition.
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Old 08-14-2021, 10:25 PM
 
Location: Howard County, Maryland
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The taxes you pay for public schools wouldn't even cover a half a year of a private schools tuition.
I'd rather get to use my tax money to pay for "less than half" of the tuition than "zero" of the tuition. At the very least, they ought to let me deduct the tuition from my taxes.
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Old 08-14-2021, 10:36 PM
 
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I'd rather get to use my tax money to pay for "less than half" of the tuition than "zero" of the tuition. At the very least, they ought to let me deduct the tuition from my taxes.
Well they won't. So why not send your kids to a private school anyway. And don't blame it on paying taxes for public schools
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Old 08-14-2021, 10:44 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Many Christian schools are not affiliated with any church or denomination and are dependent on tuition and fundraising to meet their expenses. In any case, I'm not asking you to pay for my child to go to a religious school. I'm asking that I be allowed to use my own tax money for that purpose, instead of having to pay for the public school plus pay for a private school.
Why should I pay for your choices? I don't get why conservatives talk a big game about paying for yourself and financial responsibility, but then say that we should pay for their choice to indoctrinate a child in a religious institution. You cannot have it go both ways.
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Old 08-14-2021, 10:46 PM
 
Location: Around
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Well I guess the fallout for this father will be charges against him. And it's pretty pathetic that he is teaching his child that violence is ok if you don't agree with the rules. Way to go dad.
I agree. To hospitalize a teacher over a mask should never happen. This is not a good example for his child, because now dad will for definitely need a mask to go to jail for assault.
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Old 08-15-2021, 06:31 AM
 
Location: Berwick, Penna.
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For a short time, and in a relatively small number of cases back in the late Sixties, the supposedly-militant left was depicted as "taking its lumps" -- literally. The brutality demonstrated by the Chicago police against the "yippee" demonstrators in Grant Park to the chant of "The whole world is watching" was the most memorable exmple.

But there were a few other instances -- smaller in scale and mostly near construction sites in large cities, where ironworkers, hod-carriers, and other individuals, usually white and drawing above-average paychecks due to union membrship, took their frustrations out on the demonstrators; and as is likely the case today, a handful of sheltered suburbanites -- the predecessors of today's special snowflakes, were drawn ino the action. And so these dupes and amateurs were radicalized.

The better-educated activists of the day -- conservative and liberal (not many hid behind the "progressive" buzzword) alike -- simply stayed out of the fray; unfortunately, the "Trump Insurgency" has provided the more astute of the "High Left" (?) with a new, simplistic, and less-predictable faction to demonize.
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Old 08-15-2021, 06:46 AM
 
Location: Toronto
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Why should I pay for your choices? I don't get why conservatives talk a big game about paying for yourself and financial responsibility, but then say that we should pay for their choice to indoctrinate a child in a religious institution. You cannot have it go both ways.
Amen, brother.
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Old 08-15-2021, 07:22 AM
 
Location: Berwick, Penna.
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Why should I pay for your choices? I don't get why conservatives talk a big game about paying for yourself and financial responsibility, but then say that we should pay for their choice to indoctrinate a child in a religious institution. You cannot have it go both ways.
Agreed! But the proper remedy is to abolish and privatize the phony "public school" system, which is devolving into little more than a bully-pulpit from which the NEA promotes its own agenda.

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The taxes you pay for public schools wouldn't even cover a half a year of a private schools tuition.
Which says a lot about the quality of the "public goods", I suppose ; protected drones fear nothing so much as a level playing field.

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