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That's why the mRNA vaccines are different. They don't contain the virus, or it's toxins or it's surface proteins. The vaccine contains mRNA, which will in turn allow expression of the viral spike protein in human immune cells, which recognize this protein as foreign and produce antibodies against it.
The make-up of this vaccine is novel but the end result is the same as any other vaccine.
Theoretically. In reality, we aren’t seeing the same end result as “any other vaccine.”
I'm vaccinated. I wear a mask per local mandates. I am very out-spoken regarding anti-maskers (I think they're being ridiculous). In other words, I do not side with Republicans on this topic. However, to call people who won't get vaccinated immoral is a stretch. We don't know the long term side effects yet and it was rushed into usage. Any reasonable person would be skeptical. It has nothing to do with morality. I, personally, decided getting vaccinated was worth the risk when weighed against the potential benefits to me and society in general. I fully understand why some people feel differently and support their decision.
So now it's immoral to refuse to take an untested vaccine?
I would say at this point its very well tested. Its called field testing. But those lovers of BIG GOVERNMENT need FDA stamp of approval I guess.... They need mommy to hold their hand and promise them it will be alright
Seriously its not its effectiveness in question, MILLIONS of people have gotten the shot(s), everybody knows exactly its effectiveness and usual side effects, the official stamp of approval is a long drawn out bureaucratic thing involving such qualifiers as production capacity, etc. Nothing to do with safety or effectiveness.
But hey keep the lies and denial coming. Frankly I could care less if some righty tighties want to win the Darwin Award, except for one thing, the unvaccinated are the ones letting new strains develop, it takes the clueless person to allow the virus to breed and likely mutate. Its the refuseniks that are extending the pandemic and probably forcing the rest of us to eventually get a booster shot for some new more even more potent strain.
Those worried about the economy over everything else should be first in line, but they arent.... Maybe they have stock in funeral homes or something?
What's getting muddy in the water is the dynamic between ethics/morals and freedom.
Vaccine - left says morals... right says freedom
Marriage - left says freedom... right says morals
Abortion - left says freedom... right says morals
Whenever the left makes a moral argument, it's fake because in general they don't care about morality.
For me, if God speaks on the issue, it's morals. Otherwise it's freedom in most cases.
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I am not a religious person. Just curious. When did you last hear God speak on an issue?
Yesterday listening to a message and the topic of drinking wine came up - and the point was made that drinking wine is OK... getting drunk is not OK. Verses mentioned...
1 Timothy 5:23 - No longer drink water exclusively, but use a little wine for the sake of your stomach and your frequent ailments.
Ephesians 5:18 - And do not get drunk with wine, for that is dissipation, but be filled with the Spirit,
In other words, there is freedom to drink wine...it becomes a moral issue when the line is crossed to drunkenness and addiction.
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If policy is dictated based on "God speaking", that would be known as theocracy. That is not compatible with a constitutional republic that respects a multitude of differing religious beliefs.
No. If people are running things in accordance with the rules in place, then that's what matters. It doesn't matter the source of the rules. Ultimately the people will decide who they want to represent them - and whether or not they are godly or not.
So not a theocracy. You can follow the precepts of God without it being a theocracy.
I don't know - maybe we need a theocracy. We aren't actually heading in a good direction right now... sin, divisiveness, plagues, inflation are running rampant right now.
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There can be no "moral" action when it comes to politics. Because everyone's morals are different. Our nation is founded on freedom of, and from, religion.
So I agree - the vaccine issue is not about morals. It's about everyone doing their part for the country. I consider anti-vaxxers to be stupid and unpatriotic, but not immoral.
I think there are good arguments to be made against abortion that aren't tied to one's religion or moral code. Same-sex marriage for me is a no-brainer, since there is no compelling argument against it other than a religious one.
God is the moral standard. People can believe their own moral code. In the end, it will have an effect on ourselves and others - and those effects are based on God's standards of morals.
Vaccine issue is one of trust. Vaccine issue did not happen in a vacuum - because is part of a domino effect years in the making. Why are we even dealing with COVID in the first place?
Why do so many simpletons still believe that Republican = Christian?
Live in the now!
My guess is that around 90% of our church are Democrats... Christians who are black.
Other than that - I would think the majority of non-blacks that are Christian are Republican moreso than Democrats.
I also think it's an indicator of how anti-God some liberals are - and they really can't move Christians off of their position. So it is their interest to make God scary and prevent people from following Christ.
It is wrong for either side to use a sky fairy to decide morality.
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