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Old 08-16-2021, 09:05 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Originally Posted by dicipher View Post
ICUs are being overrun and hospitals are firing nurses that can help people. Yep, makes perfect sense.

In addition, the "surge" that you and the other poster that just parrots talking points are referring to have a lot more to do with ICUs that have a miniscule amount of rooms and nurses. As I've stated many times, we have less than 200 ICU rooms in the Austin metroplex for 2.3 million people. The overall percentage of people in these hospitals are extremely small in comparison to the population of the areas involved.
Please go read a news source, even the local newspapers since you don't like major news sources. How much ICU capacity do you think hospitals have, even major health networks in Houston and Jacksonville are overwhelmed. But you go on believing it's not happening.

It really doesn't take much to overwhelm any ICU.

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Dozens of Texas hospitals have run out of intensive care unit beds as COVID-19 surges faster than any other time during the pandemic, propelled by the new delta variant.

The state is divided into 22 trauma service areas, and half of them reported 10 or fewer available ICU beds on Sunday. As more than 9,400 COVID-19 patients fill the state’s ICUs, which are reserved for the patients who are the sickest or most injured, the trauma service area that includes Laredo reported no available ICU beds, while the area that includes Abilene reported having one.

At least 53 Texas hospitals have no available ICU capacity, according to numbers reported to the federal government during the week ending Aug. 5. In Austin, five hospitals were at or above 90% of their ICU capacity during the same period, with two reporting no available ICU beds.
https://www.texastribune.org/2021/08...tals-icu-beds/

 
Old 08-16-2021, 09:11 AM
 
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Please go read a news source, even the local newspapers since you don't like major news sources. How much ICU capacity do you think hospitals have, even major health networks in Houston and Jacksonville are overwhelmed. But you go on believing it's not happening.

It really doesn't take much to overwhelm any ICU.



https://www.texastribune.org/2021/08...tals-icu-beds/
How many Texas patients are illegals? Some may have crossed the border for covid treatment knowing they were sick before coming to the U.S.
 
Old 08-16-2021, 09:11 AM
 
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No that's not what I said, of course some of those with medical conditions can't vaccinate, so what about the rest.

So I think your point is that all these unvaccinated showing up in hospitals are there because they were compromised and couldn't take the vaccine. Maybe you have a source for that nugget of wisdom.


https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/13/covi...t-spreads.html
From a medical standpoint very few cannot take the vaccine
 
Old 08-16-2021, 09:22 AM
 
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When I read something like " when the blood clots were found, the vaccine was halted so they are doing a good job of monitoring the side affects", it only proves the public is being the experimental guinea pigs. Why didn't big pharma know about blood clots before the vaccine rollout?

Go take a risk and get your experimental mRNA gene therapy (it's not a vaccine) and if you rid the earth of covid, then I will come out from self-isolation. Many thanks!

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Old 08-16-2021, 09:43 AM
 
Location: Florida
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We already know the longer term side effects of the disease and vaccines. Unless you can show me other data or information, there has not been a vaccine where sudden and new side effects appeared many years later. Months for sure. We are coming on the second year for the infection, and a year for the vaccines.
Were any of them mRNA shots?
Or were they true vaccines?
 
Old 08-16-2021, 10:00 AM
 
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When I read something like " when the blood clots were found, the vaccine was halted so they are doing a good job of monitoring the side affects", it only proves the public is being the experimental guinea pigs. Why didn't big pharma know about blood clots before the vaccine rollout?

Go take a risk and get your experimental mRNA gene therapy (it's not a vaccine) and if you rid the earth of covid, then I will come out from self-isolation again. Many thanks!
Most all of the actual disease's longer term side effects have been on the vaccine manufacturers short list as potential side effects to be on the look out for. These side effects are basically immune mediated in both the disease and vaccines. And as the vaccines, especially the mRNA's use only the Spike protein, the feeling was that would limit the vaccines longer term side effects. Which it probably has, as the mRNA's are effective and safer than the AZ.

I don't know the AZ data, we don't use that one here. Whether they had a clot as a side effect in their trials I don't know. But clots have been on everyone's short list of vaccine possibilities, since they are common with the disease.

Most of the side effects showing up months later, were anticipated at some low level. Which still is the fact.

But the basic reason we have had to be guinea pigs is related to the urgency of the Pandemic.
 
Old 08-16-2021, 10:02 AM
 
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Were any of them mRNA shots?
Or were they true vaccines?
They are all vaccines. The mRNA's by their inherent make up have to be safer, since the amount and types of antigen is so limited, as compared to old style whole virus vaccines.
 
Old 08-16-2021, 10:10 AM
 
Location: Florida
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They are all vaccines. The mRNA's by their inherent make up have to be safer, since the amount and types of antigen is so limited, as compared to old style whole virus vaccines.
Only since the definition was expended to include this experimental treatment.
 
Old 08-16-2021, 10:17 AM
 
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You forgot the ones that are terminated with be recorded as such, deemed Troublesome and not loyal to the State and be deprived of privileges.
You sure drop a lot of right wing conspiracy theories on this site.

You appear to perhaps being one giant duce!!
 
Old 08-16-2021, 10:30 AM
 
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Only since the definition was expended to include this experimental treatment.
A vaccine is simply antigenic material given to stimulate a specific immune response. The mRNA's do this in a very clever technical way. And by doing so are not only very effective, but safer as the amount and types of antigenic material is so limited. And due to the now simple rendition of amazingly complex genetic material, the mRNA's can edit and reformulate in a very short time frame. As will be needed to counter the Delta.
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