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Old 08-15-2021, 07:50 PM
 
Location: Berwick, Penna.
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The repeated calls for further sacrifice of personal liberty in the name of supposed "greater common good" gained a new voice today:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...l_liberty.html

Let me say at the outset that I am not a rebel for the sake of rebellion alone; I am fully immunized, and I wore a mask regularly through the darkest days of the pandemic, and still do in "intense contact" situations such as public transit. But there is a substantial component of our population who are afraid of freedom and options; who fail (or refuse) to recognize that the American Revolution. and the nation to which it gave rise, were founded upon a healthy skepticism toward the concentration of too much power in too few hands.

And the desire of some people for an easily-recognised "virtue signal" is feeding this trend -- further intensified by the persistent refusal of some within the medical bureaucracy to separate the COVID casualties into multiple groups -- those affected by a pre-existing condition or lifestyle choices vs those in the general population, where the risks appear to be considersably lower.

So you'll excuse me if i take the latest fear-mongering with a large grain of salt.

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Old 08-15-2021, 08:05 PM
 
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The repeated calls for further sacrifice of personal liberty in the nane of supposed "greater connon good" gained a new voice today:
The concept of inconvenience or sacrifice for the common good is unfathomable for you, right?

I wonder how you would have managed during WWII, or the polio epidemic, or any time in history where people were asked to be patriotic, altruistic, and less self-centered.
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Old 08-15-2021, 08:20 PM
 
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The vaccines are out there for those who want them. They don’t have to “sacrifice” a damned thing. What they do need to do is stop telling everyone else what their own actions need to be. I will NOT get the vaccine. That’s on me, and if I get reinfected, so be it. But you don’t get to dictate my medical care because you’re scared.
You are free not to get vaccinated, and governments are free to restrict your entrance to their buildings or other high-risk areas to protect the vulnerable from your germs. Because no one has a "right" to spread dangerous, airborne pathogens around without restraint or mitigation.
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Old 08-15-2021, 08:20 PM
 
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The vaccines are out there for those who want them. They don’t have to “sacrifice” a damned thing. What they do need to do is stop telling everyone else what their own actions need to be. I will NOT get the vaccine. That’s on me, and if I get reinfected, so be it. But you don’t get to dictate my medical care because you’re scared.
No one is dictating your medical care. If you don't want the vaccine, you can stay home.

Just like if you don't want to wear pants, you are free to go pantsless inside your castle.

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Old 08-15-2021, 08:25 PM
 
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Really, do you listen to yourself? Even being vaccinated you can infect others. Just look at the super spreader even held by President 44. Fear mongering at it's finest.
It's a risk mitigation strategy.

https://seekingalpha.com/news/372469...nfection-study
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Old 08-15-2021, 08:27 PM
 
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The repeated calls for further sacrifice of personal liberty in the name of supposed "greater connon good" gained a new voice today:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...l_liberty.html

Let me say at the outset that I am not a rebej for the sake of rebelion alone; I am fully immunized, and I wore a mask regularly through the darkest days of the pandemic, and still do in "intense contact" situations such as public transit. But there is a substantial component of our population who are afraid of freedom and options; who fail (or refuse) to recognize that the American Revolution. and the nation to which it gave rise, were founded upon a healthy skepticism toward the concentration of too much power in too few hands.

And the desire of some people for an easily-recognised "virtue signal" is feeding this trend -- further intensified by the persistent refusal of some within the medical bureaucracy to separate the COVID casualties into multiple groups -- those affected by a pre-existing condition or lifestyle choices vs those in the general population, where the risks appear to be considersably lower.

So you'll excuse me if i tKe the latest fear-mongering with a large grain of salt.
I’m a conservative (moderate one), and I say conservatives are being pansies on this issue. It’s just a freaking mask. It protects you and your family as well as others in the community. I don’t like Fauci, fear porn, or the left any more than anyone else, but this is just crazy. It’s freaking mask. Conservatives, put your big boy pants on and wear a mask until we know how to control this virus, it dies on its own, or we can treat it better. There is still a lot we don’t know.
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Old 08-15-2021, 08:28 PM
 
Location: Central NJ and PA
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I got the vaccine and wear masks when I go outside. That is an incredible sacrifice and sheer courage according to the right-wing. So I already have a pair, it's the right-wing who needs to grow theirs.

If some dude complains he can't go outside because he doesn't want to wear pants, he is the problem - not the government. He needs to grow a pair (no pun intended), the rest of us should not have to stay inside to avoid brushing against his junk because he prefers to go outside pantsless.

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We’re not scared of you being around us, but too many of you are still so freaked out about the virus, despite being vaccinated, that you can’t live and let live. You’re protected, right? So if you are still THAT concerned about someone else’s health status, then yes, you should stay home.

I already had Covid. I don’t care if you stand a foot away from me and exhale with all your might. I do care that you stop demanding I make the same choices you do.
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Old 08-15-2021, 08:30 PM
 
Location: Central NJ and PA
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You are free not to get vaccinated, and governments are free to restrict your entrance to their buildings or other high-risk areas to protect the vulnerable from your germs. Because no one has a "right" to spread dangerous, airborne pathogens around without restraint or mitigation.
I ****ing had it already. I’m less a threat than the vaccinated, so you can lay off the guilt trip.
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Old 08-15-2021, 08:30 PM
 
Location: Philaburbia
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But there is a substantial component of our population who are afraid of freedom and options; who fail (or refuse) to recognize that the American Revolution. and the nation to which it gave rise, were founded upon a healthy skepticism toward the concentration of too much power in too few hands.
LMAO - the power to ask you to wear a mask indoors?

What about that makes you afraid?

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further intensified by the persistent refusal of some within the medical bureaucracy to separate the COVID casualties into multiple groups -- those affected by a pre-existing condition or lifestyle choices vs those in the general population, where the risks appear to be considersably lower.
Why? So you can vilify those groups?

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How about you grow a pair and stay home if your that worried about getting COVID. Wear 10 masks, stop telling people what to do.
Oh, the irony ...
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Old 08-15-2021, 08:32 PM
 
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I’m a conservative (moderate one), and I say conservatives are being pansies on this issue. It’s just a freaking mask. It protects you and your family as well as others in the community. I don’t like Fauci, fear porn, or the left any more than anyone else, but this is just crazy. It’s freaking mask. Conservatives, put your big boy pants on and wear a mask until we know how to control this virus, it dies on its own, or we can treat it better. There is still a lot we don’t know.

Actually agree with you on most of this...it is just a mask! There is still a lot we don't know which is why things are in flux...
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