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Old 08-17-2021, 10:18 AM
 
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I never heard of low skilled but have heard of UNskilled.
As a mechanic, "not primarily automotive" I have known of people with particular skill sets that make them better it a job than others, like one fellow I knew that did extraordinary fiberglass repair work so he was given those jobs primarily, others were trained but not as good as. Some people have the ambition to be better skilled at certain things that make them valued so long as the market demands their skill. One reason I have always accepted new jobs learning new skills.
The Problem is things change rapidly. I had a difficult time with computers consequently when more and more engines/machinery were using them I was being forced out of my field leaving room for the younger crowd to step into that space. Not that I didn't have the opportunity to learn computers but that I had no ambition to learn them working on old school machinery.
My age and physical capabilities were catching up on me so I found other things to do. Still willing to learn but not the complexities of the computer world.
People come into an industry without skills they are unskilled until they become skilled.
That moniker of respect is earned.
If an unskilled person chooses to remain unskilled it is on them and no respect is afforded.
Natural talent, work ethic and ability to learn are all real things. It's harder to learn new things as you get older past a certain point. It's also good that you know your own strengths and weaknesses.
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Old 08-17-2021, 10:34 AM
 
Location: Boston
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It's all phraseology! Absolutely nothing wrong with the term "entry level job." We've all done it and been there and we survived and probably got some benefit out of said job. I know that I did!
entry level job is ok, it's the entry level pay that gives them the heartburn.
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Old 08-17-2021, 10:35 AM
 
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I think the real issue revolves around the lack of respect for those who do low skilled work. They supposedly can work for peanuts, and according to some, live quite well if they "know the ropes." They can be discussed as something similar to an object, low skill equals being dismissed, being demeaned, written off as a failure for working in what the gentry has termed "entry level" jobs. We haven't established what constitutes an entry level lifestyle but mostly it's a nod to poverty being a deserved thing.

After owning a business for years I've decided that there is way more to work than skill. Being on time, having a presentable appearance, honesty, showing initiative, being able to learn, there's more, but the list would be long. And, for the business owners, their skills center on knowing that paying well for necessary but low skilled labor is just as important as paying well for skilled labor. It takes a lot of teamwork of low and high skill to manage the enterprise, and all labor is meaningful to that end.
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Old 08-17-2021, 10:44 AM
 
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I think the real issue revolves around the lack of respect for those who do low skilled work. They supposedly can work for peanuts, and according to some, live quite well if they "know the ropes." They can be discussed as something similar to an object, low skill equals being dismissed, being demeaned, written off as a failure for working in what the gentry has termed "entry level" jobs. We haven't established what constitutes an entry level lifestyle but mostly it's a nod to poverty being a deserved thing.

After owning a business for years I've decided that there is way more to work than skill. Being on time, having a presentable appearance, honesty, showing initiative, being able to learn, there's more, but the list would be long. And, for the business owners, their skills center on knowing that paying well for necessary but low skilled labor is just as important as paying well for skilled labor. It takes a lot of teamwork of low and high skill to manage the enterprise, and all labor is meaningful to that end.
It is a shame when individuals do that. I hate to say it , but see the disdain coming from one side, and it isn't the side that has "pulled their boot straps up".... just how I see it.

Interesting how you brought this up, there was a tent rental company here just now, setting up a 30' x 50' tent and chairs tables for 100 people. I snuck out of the meeting I was in, and helped them as much as I could. And treated them like I'd treat anyone else. I was in their position more than one time in my life.
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Old 08-17-2021, 10:47 AM
 
Location: The Sunshine State of Mind
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So by my observations, being a congressperson is a low skilled job. Some much more low skilled than others(aoc). Too bad their compensation isn't in line with their skills, talents and ability.
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Old 08-17-2021, 10:56 AM
 
Location: NJ
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Give it the effn up with all the redefinitions and hurt butts.

Open your eyes to what is happening beyond the rewriting of Webster's dictionary, book burning, renaming and social justice dos and don'ts!

You'd think the Taliban was running the country!

Words suddenly deemed insulting, insult only the small handfull of activists the media places under a magnifying glass to appear larger than they really are.

Don't fall for the talibanesque authoritarian socialists tripe.

Say it loud and say it proud..... LOW SKILLED WORKERS !!!!!!!!
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Old 08-17-2021, 11:17 AM
 
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I've never heard anyone refer to plumbers, electricians etc. as unskilled or low-skilled labor.

Maybe if they're just kids starting out in construction or changing oil.

If you heard it, you probably heard it from some upper class snob Karen type with no clue.
Me either.
If people do they should try doing those things themselves. I would refer to a kid starting out in one of those professions as an apprentice. Of course when my grand picked up some work during the summer in construction we called him the step and fetch it.
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Old 08-17-2021, 11:30 AM
 
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So you admit things have backslid, and you admit you were a beneficiary of the policies (that would be decried as "socialism" today) that created this condition for you?
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Globalism, and offshoring/outsourcing is what caused the "backslide".
Nailing down what caused the backsliding comes after we all acknowledge that the backsliding has occurred.
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Old 08-17-2021, 11:38 AM
 
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It's all phraseology! Absolutely nothing wrong with the term "entry level job." We've all done it and been there and we survived and probably got some benefit out of said job. I know that I did!
"Entry-level job" implies that it's just the first rung of a ladder going upwards.

In the corporation I recently retired from, it used to be relatively easy for someone with minimal skills to get an "entry-level job"--literally working in the mail room, or in the janitorial service. The company had a career progression program for everyone who managed to get that coveted "red badge" of an internal employee. Once in the door, an employee could do good work for year, get some real skills on the side (often paid for by the company), and "post-out" to a better position in the company in a year. Progression was built in to the system.

The company began folding up the progression ladder around 2010, contracting out those more menial jobs and hiring only people "with experience" for the higher positions. A person could work for the contractor, but that was a dead-end...there was no built-in ladder to a better job.

Is it still possible to progress? Yes. But I'll be realistic...it's a lot harder than it used to be.
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Old 08-17-2021, 11:41 AM
 
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Nailing down what caused the backsliding comes after we all acknowledge that the backsliding has occurred.
We wouldn't be having this discussion, and the ones about the widening income inequality if this backsliding didn't occur.
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