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Old 08-21-2021, 05:53 PM
 
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The red states are mostly responsible for the surge. What do they have in common, they legislate against restrictions of any kind whether it be masks or vaccine requirements.
Show me ONE piece of legislation from any of the red states that banned voluntary mask-wearing or voluntary vaccination. Why must these measures be mandatory?
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Old 08-21-2021, 05:59 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Show me ONE piece of legislation from any of the red states that banned voluntary mask-wearing or voluntary vaccination.
The banned mandatory mask wearing or vaccine requirements, is that supposed to be a serious effort at defending their ban on restrictions.

So half the schools in schools can wear masks while others do not, does that make any sense.

How about banning vaccines at universities and schools so they need to once again go to remote learning.

Maybe that's what we should have done with measles and polio vaccines, just get it if you want to but it's personal choice.
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Old 08-21-2021, 06:04 PM
 
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The banned mandatory mask wearing or vaccine requirements, is that supposed to be a serious effort at defending their ban on restrictions.
And that stops people from wearing a mask anyway because.....? Give me ONE good reason why people can't voluntarily wear a mask or get vaccinated. A lot of people in my area of TX are doing so, and it certainly ain't because someone's forcing them to because none of the mask mandates were ever enforced to any material degree.

Provide all material information people need (FULL disclosure is absolutely critical here) to make their decision and let people be adults. Government botched this for a year and a half - I'm not inclined to trust they won't for the next year and a half. That would be the definition of insanity.

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How about banning vaccines at universities and schools so they need to once again go to remote learning.
I'm curious to see what piece of legislation said you must provide proof that you have not been vaccinated or you will be denied enrollment at a university or school. Your choice to get the vaccine or not is strictly between you and your doctor.

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Maybe that's what we should have done with measles and polio vaccines, just get it if you want to but it's personal choice.
Yes, it should have. People are not required to have a reason for refusing medical treatment, no matter how effective. Mandates do nothing but create friction. When you bully people into getting a vaccine that is provisionally approved (remember that it has NOT been fully approved by the FDA), without adequately addressing the concerns of the people who refuse, they're only going to dig in their heels. That's a failure on government's part. Time to try something different that doesn't involve government.

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Old 08-21-2021, 06:24 PM
 
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This is awful news. Biden's mishandling of Covid has not helped this situation AT ALL and now he hides on vacation.

There have been more COVID-19 deaths in 2021 than in 2020

"The number of COVID-19 deaths in 2021 has already surpassed the number of coronavirus deaths in 2020, The Wall Street Journal reports."

I can see how he wants to hide after massively mishandling Covid, screwing up the border, his disaster in Afghanistan, Iran doubling its nuclear weapons capability, his ending of middle east peace, his policies causing massive inflation.

It's no wonder Biden is Hidin'.
biden has made the covid situation SO much worse but then that is what he does
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Old 08-21-2021, 07:16 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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And that stops people from wearing a mask anyway because.....? Give me ONE good reason why people can't voluntarily wear a mask or get vaccinated. A lot of people in my area of TX are doing so, and it certainly ain't because someone's forcing them to because none of the mask mandates were ever enforced to any material degree.

Provide all material information people need (FULL disclosure is absolutely critical here) to make their decision and let people be adults. Government botched this for a year and a half - I'm not inclined to trust they won't for the next year and a half. That would be the definition of insanity.



I'm curious to see what piece of legislation said you must provide proof that you have not been vaccinated or you will be denied enrollment at a university or school. Your choice to get the vaccine or not is strictly between you and your doctor.



Yes, it should have. People are not required to have a reason for refusing medical treatment, no matter how effective. Mandates do nothing but create friction. When you bully people into getting a vaccine that is provisionally approved (remember that it has NOT been fully approved by the FDA), without adequately addressing the concerns of the people who refuse, they're only going to dig in their heels. That's a failure on government's part. Time to try something different that doesn't involve government.
Yes people can voluntarily wear a mask that is not the point, he banned any requirement that all wear a mask. You don't develop uniform health policy on a voluntary basis, that doesn't help stop the spread of infectious diseases like polio and measles.

This is why a good medical school like University of Texas went to remote learning, no vaccination mandate, no mask requirements.

"Let people be Adults", that is working out real well in Texas and Florida which now have almost as many infections as Brazil and India.
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Old 08-21-2021, 07:40 PM
 
Location: A Beautiful DEEP RED State
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I already said that they aren't, neither are conservatives though if I have to pick a side who is monolithic. Why must we think sides are monoliths?
Because Democrats have proven over and over again they are. 100%! It's not even debatable.
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Old 08-21-2021, 07:43 PM
 
Location: A Beautiful DEEP RED State
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The red states are mostly responsible for the surge. What do they have in common, they legislate against restrictions of any kind whether it be masks or vaccine requirements.

Claiming that the CDC reversed course on mask removal isn't the reason for this surge, it's the unvaccinated.
What they have in common?

Large black and latino populations, along with sizable youth populations. (Majority Democrat voters BTW, seeing how you want to make it political for some reason).

What does that have to do with it?

Biden and Harris told them not to trust any vaccine created under Trump and they listened. Those are the groups least likely to get vaccinated. That is what the science data shows.
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Old 08-21-2021, 07:45 PM
 
Location: A Beautiful DEEP RED State
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Originally Posted by Goodnight View Post
The banned mandatory mask wearing or vaccine requirements, is that supposed to be a serious effort at defending their ban on restrictions.

So half the schools in schools can wear masks while others do not, does that make any sense.

How about banning vaccines at universities and schools so they need to once again go to remote learning.

Maybe that's what we should have done with measles and polio vaccines, just get it if you want to but it's personal choice.
There is no ban on mask wearing anywhere in the country. Anyone who wants to wear a mask can.

There is no ban on getting vaccines anywhere in the country. Anyone who wants a vaccine can get one.

Please stop spreading complete and utter misinformation. It's not helpful.
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Old 08-21-2021, 07:47 PM
 
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This is awful news. Biden's mishandling of Covid has not helped this situation AT ALL and now he hides on vacation.

There have been more COVID-19 deaths in 2021 than in 2020

"The number of COVID-19 deaths in 2021 has already surpassed the number of coronavirus deaths in 2020, The Wall Street Journal reports."

I can see how he wants to hide after massively mishandling Covid, screwing up the border, his disaster in Afghanistan, Iran doubling its nuclear weapons capability, his ending of middle east peace, his policies causing massive inflation.

It's no wonder Biden is Hidin'.
oh gosh -- you should have done a little more reading.

Yes =--the world has seen more deaths -- because Trump did such a good job of making USA number one in 2020 ---
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Old 08-21-2021, 08:13 PM
 
Location: A Beautiful DEEP RED State
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oh gosh -- you should have done a little more reading.

Yes =--the world has seen more deaths -- because Trump did such a good job of making USA number one in 2020 ---
Are you even aware Biden is on pace to have more Covid deaths happen in America in one year than Trump did in his one year and that is with Biden having multiple vaccines handed to him on a silver platter.

Think about that! Biden will end up having more Covid deaths on his watch with having multiple vaccines!
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