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Man, you are REALLY reaching. That's not even remotely the same thing.
It's like saying, "No lung transplant for you until you stop playing Russian roulette!"
That is NOT the same as pulling people set for surgery, after they have already been on the transplant list, because of no vaccine.
And, this is at ONE particular hospital (that we know of)
It’s very much the same thing. They rate candidates based on their ability to have a successful transplant. If you’re an alcoholic don’t be surprised if they won’t give you someone else’s liver to destroy. They already prioritize based on how well you follow their protocols and advice.
If you don’t want to follow the medical advice you risk not getting what you want because like someone else said getting a transplant is a privilege not an entitlement.
It’s very much the same thing. They rate candidates based on their ability to have a successful transplant. If you’re an alcoholic don’t be surprised if they won’t give you someone else’s liver to destroy. They already prioritize based on how well you follow their protocols and advice.
If you don’t want to follow the medical advice you risk not getting what you want because like someone else said getting a transplant is a privilege not an entitlement.
What is the medical advice based on? Do they have data on giving a Covid vaccine prior to transplant? I've seen a few medical websites where they recommend getting the shot 'two weeks' prior--whatever that means. First shot? Second shot? Why 'two weeks?' And they give no data, just a link where you can sign up to be the data in a study:
"This study is eye-opening for the transplant community," says Dr. Wadei. "Our study suggests that transplant patients don't have the same immune response as the general population. They got infected after getting vaccinated and lifting protective measures, thinking they were immune to the virus."
The researchers note that transplant patients were excluded from current vaccine studies."
It’s very much the same thing. They rate candidates based on their ability to have a successful transplant. If you’re an alcoholic don’t be surprised if they won’t give you someone else’s liver to destroy. They already prioritize based on how well you follow their protocols and advice.
If you don’t want to follow the medical advice you risk not getting what you want because like someone else said getting a transplant is a privilege not an entitlement.
No it isn't. Taking the shot could kill him. He already has heart issues.
This is not as easy as "take the Covid shot-- it will save you." It might harm him. It might not even work on him when he takes the transplant drugs. They really don't know.
Where is the data on giving a transplant patient a vaccine immediately prior to a transplant? After a transplant, it seems they need to wait a few months.
First things first, you are much more optimistic about them finding a match for him quickly than I am. Most people wait months on the list before they are matched. Many cases, more than a year. So if he got the vaccination, more likely than not, it would be well before the surgery.
And yes, anyone that knows anything about vaccines will tell you that your immune response to the vaccine is what makes the vaccine work. So, if you give the vaccine to someone that is immunosuppressed, it may not work. That is exactly why he should have the vaccine now, so he has enough time before the surgery when he will be placed on immunosuppressive drugs. And if a match happens to come up tomorrow, then ok, the vaccine may not work or it may work at a reduced capacity, but at least he gave it a shot.
As I said, his situation is already much more tenuous than his chances of having a fatal vaccine reaction. He is really making a bad mistake here.
What is the medical advice based on? Do they have data on giving a Covid vaccine prior to transplant? I've seen a few medical websites where they recommend getting the shot 'two weeks' prior--whatever that means. First shot? Second shot? Why 'two weeks?' And they give no data, just a link where you can sign up to be the data in a study:
"This study is eye-opening for the transplant community," says Dr. Wadei. "Our study suggests that transplant patients don't have the same immune response as the general population. They got infected after getting vaccinated and lifting protective measures, thinking they were immune to the virus."
The researchers note that transplant patients were excluded from current vaccine studies."
People that had their transplants before the vaccines were available are in a tough spot. They are already on the drugs. There is nothing you can do about that. Any doctor worth his salt would have warned those patients ahead of time that the vaccine will likely not be as effective on them. You don't need a study to know that. Just common sense.
No- that is good sense. For the same reason one does not do liver transplants on alcoholics. It is a waste of an organ.
If someone is not going to "take care" of that organ be responsible, they should not receive something that is in precious limited supply and there is a long waiting list.
Hey Hawkeye, I saw the real Hawkeye out at dinner last night, and thought of you.
The man in the article had a severely damaged heart. They wanted him to take the Covid shot before the transplant. The vaccine increases chances of myocarditis in healthy young men. Imagine what it could do to a heart so diseased it needs to be replaced. Sounds like this guy was targeted by the High Church of Covid for going against Covid Orthodoxy. His penalty: death.
And now everyone is chiming in with 'there aren't enough organs.' Fair enough. But in this guy's case, they wanted him to do something that could kill him. And even if he survived, we can't predict what antibody response he would have given the drugs he has to take.
There is a clear bias against people who don't take the covid shots. A lot of people are doing cruel and irrational things to the unvaccinated, and painting a veneer of 'for the public good' on top of it.
Isn't it kind of silly to trust the advice of the Dr. when they say you need a transplant, and also trust him to bust you open, put in a new heart, and close you back up without killing you... but not trust him when he says get a vaccination?
Isn't it kind of silly to trust the advice of the Dr. when they say you need a transplant, and also trust him to bust you open, put in a new heart, and close you back up without killing you... but not trust him when he says get a vaccination?
He doesn't know what that shot will do to you. It's still experimental, and clinical trials do not end until at least the end of 2022.
Isn't it kind of silly to trust the advice of the Dr. when they say you need a transplant, and also trust him to bust you open, put in a new heart, and close you back up without killing you... but not trust him when he says get a vaccination?
Everything a doctor says should be backed up with evidence. I don't trust any doctor simply because they are a doctor. I wouldn't expect someone to make an important decision like that based on only one opinion.
Everything a doctor says should be backed up with evidence. I don't trust any doctor simply because they are a doctor. I wouldn't expect someone to make an important decision like that based on only one opinion.
I agree. And if you don't trust this doctor's advice, then go somewhere else. But understand there are consequences for things like this... like being removed from the transplant list.
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