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Old 08-20-2021, 05:54 PM
 
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Ok ok, maybe we should focus on finding out how the FDA can justify this. If anyone knows.

As I understand it the FDA usually has many more steps in the approval process, why, on this one, do they feel they can be so caviler.

If there is a good reason I am willing to accept it.
Are you really? Let's put that to the test.

The reason these vaccines moved through the process more quickly than others is because both Pfizer and Moderna were stacking their processes--meaning they were doing many things simultaneously rather than doing one thing, waiting until it was done, and then moving on to the next thing. For example, they were in animal trials and Phase I trials at the same time, when usually they would do one first and then move onto the next.

When a drug moves into the three phases, each phase can take up to a year or more, and there can be years between the first trial and the second. A lot of times there is an issue with funding, or with enrollment, that delays the process. In this case all three phases were planned simultaneously to prevent delays if a vaccine candidate was proven effective. I think this has revolutionized the way clinical trials will be conducted in the future.

This article answers your questions of how this process was sped up.....if you really are interested.

https://www.umms.org/coronavirus/cov.../facts/testing

But I expect you will disregard this information because it doesn't fit your antivaxx narrative. Prove me wrong.
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Old 08-20-2021, 05:58 PM
 
Location: Decatur, GA
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The fda has now officially proven themselves to be fringe pseudo-science wackjob quacks! Just like fauci, birx, and the upper echelons of the cdc.
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Old 08-20-2021, 05:59 PM
 
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When a drug moves into the three phases, each phase can take up to a year or more, and there can be years between the first trial and the second. A lot of times there is an issue with funding, or with enrollment, that delays the process.
Drug? This is a vaccine. I will read it. But if this is an ultra *medicine is great* then I probably won't believe it.
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Old 08-20-2021, 06:00 PM
 
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Well some people who wont take it now,this will "convince" them it must be safe and they can take it w/o worry...
they have the right to take care of their health the way they think appropriate. Its interesting and enlightening that they wont give me the same consideration.
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Old 08-20-2021, 06:09 PM
 
Location: Central IL
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Breaking News!!!!!!!!!!!! I am still not getting it.
Oh yeah, there was no logic before with anti-vaxxers - absolutely NO reason at all for FDA approval to make a difference. Funny that so many lied about THAT being the reason to not get vaccinated. Gleefully contribute to as many deaths as possible - at least it'll be other unvacc'ed people.
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Old 08-20-2021, 06:11 PM
 
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Well some people who wont take it now,this will "convince" them it must be safe and they can take it w/o worry...
Maybe. But likely more like this...

The approval is expected to pave the way for a series of vaccination requirements by public and private organizations who were awaiting final regulatory action before implementing mandates.
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Old 08-20-2021, 06:12 PM
 
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Someone is paying someone inside the FDA to approve this no doubt………..
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Old 08-20-2021, 06:13 PM
 
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Are you really? Let's put that to the test.

The reason these vaccines moved through the process more quickly than others is because both Pfizer and Moderna were stacking their processes--meaning they were doing many things simultaneously rather than doing one thing, waiting until it was done, and then moving on to the next thing. For example, they were in animal trials and Phase I trials at the same time, when usually they would do one first and then move onto the next.

When a drug moves into the three phases, each phase can take up to a year or more, and there can be years between the first trial and the second. A lot of times there is an issue with funding, or with enrollment, that delays the process. In this case all three phases were planned simultaneously to prevent delays if a vaccine candidate was proven effective. I think this has revolutionized the way clinical trials will be conducted in the future.

This article answers your questions of how this process was sped up.....if you really are interested.

https://www.umms.org/coronavirus/cov.../facts/testing

But I expect you will disregard this information because it doesn't fit your antivaxx narrative. Prove me wrong.
Here is an example about a process! Moderna was in Phase 1 trials last May when the CDC was still saying they didnt know anything about this virus. Interesting how that works. The feds gave moderna a billion dollars to develop this vaccine and moderna has the highest price of these vaccines. Then we have the rest of the dirtyness. that the CEO of The Brigham Hospital in Boston ,where one of the first trials was being conducted, sat on the board of moderna. Proceeded to sell her stock and made 3 million or more dollars. she resigns from moderna due to conflict of interest and then resigns from the Brigham and returns to Moderna's board. How many other times has this happened across the country? we dont know and they wont tell. This whole thing has been dishonest. and you think we should believe the fda about any drug? Go read the Boston Globe, a very left newspaper who did publish the story about Moderna. Got to give them some credit.
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Old 08-20-2021, 06:13 PM
 
Location: Central IL
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Do you really think many of us are going to bow down to the fda and behave like good little sheep and get this vaccine? You take care of yourself, Ill take care of me.
Lots of you guys are dying and killing each other - I'm starting to think that's a good thing. I can't wait to get my booster so I'm even better protected against the anti-vaxxers.
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Old 08-20-2021, 06:13 PM
 
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The fda has now officially proven themselves to be fringe pseudo-science wackjob quacks! Just like fauci, birx, and the upper echelons of the cdc.
You mean this Fauci? Surprised it hasn't be scrubbed yet.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/white...tory_b_4762295

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In Arthur Kahn’s book, Winter Wars, Larry Kramer pointed out that to get an appointment with Fauci, one didn’t call his secretary but his press officers, “who book [his] talks and interviews... like movie stars.” He could easily have advocated awareness of the preventive treatment, as the de facto federal AIDS Czar, his influence was and is enormous.
There are stories about Fauci spreading terrible miss-info regarding HIV spread but I'll look for quotes instead.
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