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Old 08-26-2021, 04:45 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Frank DeForrest View Post
Oh and jObS!!!

"fit-for-pupose regional accommodation facility" - what an interesting way to say concentration camp
You guys really want to go down this road?

Because the US leads the developed world in ACTUAL incarceration of its citizens, in ACTUAL state sponsored executions, in ACTUAL fatal encounters with law enforcement and the National Guard, in ACTUAL curfews and restrictions on its juvenile population, in ACTUAL false imprisonment of innocent people, and with ACTUAL prison camps where inmates are held in ACTUAL tents, and ACTUAL length of custodial sentences.

There are more people imprisoned in America than anywhere else in the world.

A quarantine facility where someone is temporarily housed while infectious with a disease is nothing compared to human rights violations you as a country commit on a daily basis.

And it is not a concentration camp, I’m sure our lauded returned veterans who spent time in prison camps in South East Asia would vehemently and vigorously disagree with your vile categorisation.

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Countries with the largest number of prisoners per 100,000 of the national population,
as of May 2021

Number of prisoners per 100,000 population

United States 639
El Salvador 562
Turkmenistan 552
Palau 522
Rwanda 511
Cuba 510
Maldives 499
Virgin Islands (UK) 447
Thailand 443
Bahamas 442
Panama 420
Grenada 413
Guam (U.S.) 411
Virgin Islands (U.S.) 394
St. Kitts and Nevis 393
Costa Rica 374
St. Vincent and the Grenadines 369
Anguilla (UK) 367
Brazil 357
Belarus 345
American Samoa (U.S.) 345
Uruguay 337
Turkey 335
Nicaragua 332
Russian Federation 330
Seychelles 324
Northern Mariana Islands (U.S.) 313
Cayman Islands (UK) 312
Belize 307
Antigua and Barbuda 302
Australia doesn’t even crack the top 30.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...0-inhabitants/
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Old 08-26-2021, 04:58 PM
 
Location: NY
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Oh ffs, don’t be so friggin dramatic.

You already have to quarantine for 14 days in a hotel, which is not up to the task of keeping people safe, when you arrive from overseas. Most of our outbreaks can be traced back to hotel quarantine.

Quarantine is not prison, no matter how many times you say it.

And we will go back to normal, meanwhile we don’t want hundreds and thousands of deaths in our country.

The incoming traveller quarantine rules will eventually be relaxed, as we figure out how to live with Covid, and as more of the population is vaccinated.

A purpose built quarantine facility is a good idea, who knows what’s coming down the pike? Another Ebola outbreak? Something worse?
If you can't leave, then it is a prison. Maybe not a prison with cinderblock cells and bars, but still, you can't leave. An internment facility of any type, other than an actual prison for criminals who have been given a trial is a bad idea. Human beings should not be locked up without due process of law. Why are people okay with isolating people without any kind of due process? I don't care if this is Australia, the US or Zimbabwe...it's not a good idea.

If you want to know what happens when more of the population is vaccinated, look at Israel. Lots of Covid.
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Old 08-26-2021, 05:03 PM
 
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I thought Europe and blue state America were crazy with Covid rules but Australia and NZ take it to a whole new level.

And don't forget the dogs at the shelter....can't have anyone leave the house to feed them. Although people can leave the house to shoot them
Right, awful decision.

But at least we don’t allow the state to shoot people:

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The state Senate approved the bill to add firing squads on 6 May, by a 66-43 vote.
South Carolina becomes the fourth state to allow death by firing squad. Mississippi, Oklahoma and Utah already allow it, according to the Death Penalty Information Center, a not-for-profit group. Nine states allow the electric chair.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.the...electric-chair




(It turns out the dogs were not shot, they were euthanised by injection, after further investigation. Still, an unacceptable action).
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Old 08-26-2021, 05:06 PM
 
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You guys really want to go down this road?

Because the US leads the developed world in ACTUAL incarceration of its citizens, in ACTUAL state sponsored executions, in ACTUAL fatal encounters with law enforcement and the National Guard, in ACTUAL curfews and restrictions on its juvenile population, in ACTUAL false imprisonment of innocent people, and with ACTUAL prison camps where inmates are held in ACTUAL tents, and ACTUAL length of custodial sentences.

There are more people imprisoned in America than anywhere else in the world.

A quarantine facility where someone is temporarily housed while infectious with a disease is nothing compared to human rights violations you as a country commit on a daily basis.
I call; you have all the evil we do and then some right now. Its pathetic really as is your defense of it
And it is not a concentration camp, I’m sure our lauded returned veterans who spent time in prison camps in South East Asia would vehemently and vigorously disagree with your vile categorisation.



Australia doesn’t even crack the top 30.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...0-inhabitants/
So you'll see our immoral bloated prison system that locks up poor folk and raise us house arrest and a concentration camp for everyone in your country because they might be sick?
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Old 08-26-2021, 05:07 PM
 
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If you can't leave, then it is a prison. Maybe not a prison with cinderblock cells and bars, but still, you can't leave. An internment facility of any type, other than an actual prison for criminals who have been given a trial is a bad idea. Human beings should not be locked up without due process of law. Why are people okay with isolating people without any kind of due process? I don't care if this is Australia, the US or Zimbabwe...it's not a good idea.

If you want to know what happens when more of the population is vaccinated, look at Israel. Lots of Covid.
Well, you guys would certainly know. You lock up more people than anywhere on earth.
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Old 08-26-2021, 05:10 PM
 
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So you'll see our immoral bloated prison system that locks up poor folk and raise us house arrest and a concentration camp for everyone in your country because they might be sick?
We’re not under house arrest.

And it’s not a concentration camp. It’s not for “everyone in my country”. Stop making crap up.

I say get your own flippin house in order before you defame and criticise us.

You’re bringing back FIRING SQUADS ffs.
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Old 08-26-2021, 05:12 PM
 
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Well, you guys would certainly know. You lock up more people than anywhere on earth.
And no one this conversation is defending that. Nice try at a pivot. At this point your making our jailers blush with envy with your concentration camps and conducting manhunts for people who sneeze in empty elevators
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Old 08-26-2021, 05:13 PM
 
Location: West Palm Beach, FL
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Well, you guys would certainly know. You lock up more people than anywhere on earth.
Yes but our left wing lunatics let criminals out of prison because of COVID in addition to making law-abiding citizens into lawbreakers for the crime of not catering to their unreasonable panic. Get your facts straight mate.
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Old 08-26-2021, 05:26 PM
 
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And no one this conversation is defending that. Nice try at a pivot. At this point your making our jailers blush with envy with your concentration camps and conducting manhunts for people who sneeze in empty elevators
Meh, this whole thing will be done with at some point, just like last year when we eased restrictions way before the US did.

They brought back the firing squads in May, 2021. You’re actually going to make prisoners on death row choose between that or the electric chair.

You have some gall to post from the US and compare isolating people with an infectious disease for 14 days to a concentration camp, given that’s what you allow in your own country.

I didn’t equate any of this with imprisonment or concentration camps. If you want to bring it to that level, then let’s compare.
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Old 08-26-2021, 05:28 PM
 
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Yes but our left wing lunatics let criminals out of prison because of COVID in addition to making law-abiding citizens into lawbreakers for the crime of not catering to their unreasonable panic. Get your facts straight mate.
Oh my facts are straight, dude.

There’s something in your eye.

Ooh look, it’s an enormous plank.
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