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Well the so called Conservative Prime Minister had the privilege of travelling outside his city he works on fathers day to see his father in another city which was Fathers day. Yet meanwhile the residents in those areas are not allowed to travel that far to see their families. Many have not been able to see them in a long time. With this lockdowns unless you are famous or an elite sports person, you have privileges to do things like that and able to travel and see your family without self isolation, But the average Joe blow does not.
BTW when Australia went through the worst bushfires ever, the so called conservative prime minister took his family on vacation to Hawaii.
Labor are not like Democrats, and the ruling party are not like Republicans, it is a different system. BTW it was the so called conservative Prime Minister from a conservative party that brought forward harsh anti gun laws, something Republicans would not dare to do.
First, while both parties could broadly be described as “centre-left”, this would be only in relation to their main “right-wing” opponents, the Liberal/National Party coalition government in Australia and the Republicans in the USA.
Also, while both parties can be said to support free-market capitalism in principle, the Australian Labor Party (ALP) is rather more progressive than the Democrats. For example, Australia's single-payer national health scheme (Medibank) is one of ALP's greatest achievements, established when the ALP was in office in the 1970s.
BTW there is no conservative major party leader has any plans to ban abortion and anti abortion has not ben a major platform unlike the Republican party of the USA.
I’d like to add, prostitution is also legal here. We could use a little work on our drug laws.
The Prime Minister is copping loads of crap for that little jaunt from Canberra to Sydney and back for Fathers Day (to see his own children, not his father).
People are not amused. He’s been on telly all day trying to weasel out of those optics.
He had a very nasty time when he got back from Hawaii, too.
People are also not very happy about special treatment of sports stars wives and families, that’s gotten the kibbosh over the last week or so too.
Australia is very egalitarian society, sometimes to its detriment (see something we call Tall Poppy Syndrome).
But we have circumstances here that warrant keeping the spread of the virus to a minimum, if possible. There are isolated communities way out bush who would be in deep trouble if this thing took hold there. We have places that are so remote that the doctors fly out to you, and so does the mail. There are limited ICU beds and vulnerable populations of First Nations peoples.
Until there’s enough vaccine (another stuff up by the current government) there’s a lot of downside to letting the virus run free in the community.
We’re starting to shift the balance toward opening up with a high percentage of vaccinated people, and things will swing toward living with rather than containment.
Well the so called Conservative Prime Minister had the privilege of travelling outside his city he works on fathers day to see his father in another city which was Fathers day. Yet meanwhile the residents in those areas are not allowed to travel that far to see their families. Many have not been able to see them in a long time. With this lockdowns unless you are famous or an elite sports person, you have privileges to do things like that and able to travel and see your family without self isolation, But the average Joe blow does not.
BTW when Australia went through the worst bushfires ever, the so called conservative prime minister took his family on vacation to Hawaii.
Labor are not like Democrats, and the ruling party are not like Republicans, it is a different system. BTW it was the so called conservative Prime Minister from a conservative party that brought forward harsh anti gun laws, something Republicans would not dare to do.
First, while both parties could broadly be described as “centre-left”, this would be only in relation to their main “right-wing” opponents, the Liberal/National Party coalition government in Australia and the Republicans in the USA.
Also, while both parties can be said to support free-market capitalism in principle, the Australian Labor Party (ALP) is rather more progressive than the Democrats. For example, Australia's single-payer national health scheme (Medibank) is one of ALP's greatest achievements, established when the ALP was in office in the 1970s.
BTW there is no conservative major party leader has any plans to ban abortion and anti abortion has not ben a major platform unlike the Republican party of the USA.
The conservative PM followed all rules in place to return home for the weekend. Do you think the business of Government should stop and everyone just stays at home? (His home is Syd).
The ALP for the purpose of relativity that US readers will understand is like the Dems. It is not meant to be a like for like comparison. It's just when you say Liberal Party, it gets confusing.
Thank goodness conservatism means different things in most of the world compared to the USA. It means things like sensible gun restrictions with bipartisan political and immense citizen support can be achieved.
The Prime Minister is copping loads of crap for that little jaunt from Canberra to Sydney and back for Fathers Day (to see his own children, not his father).
People are not amused. He’s been on telly all day trying to weasel out of those optics.
Australia is very egalitarian society, sometimes to its detriment (see something we call Tall Poppy Syndrome).
Anyone who is not amused, clearly doesn't understand the situation very well. The rules are in place for all federal ministers and shadow ministers. He didn't need or receive any special treatment not available to and used by all of his contemporaries and counterparts, including the chief ALP protagonist on TV today Bill Shorten who did precisely the same thing.
This is a primary example of tall poppy syndrome in action and selective "outrage".
The conservative PM followed all rules in place to return home for the weekend. Do you think the business of Government should stop and everyone just stays at home? (His home is Syd).
The ALP for the purpose of relativity that US readers will understand is like the Dems. It is not meant to be a like for like comparison. It's just when you say Liberal Party, it gets confusing.
Thank goodness conservatism means different things in most of the world compared to the USA. It means things like sensible gun restrictions with bipartisan political and immense citizen support can be achieved.
Australia has more in common in the politics with Canada.
BTW I know people that have had relatives die and they were not able to able to travel overseas for the funeral of their relative,. They are unhappy about that. Yet the Prime Minister can travel a few hundred kilometers to see his father for fathers day.
BTW why the hell did Scott Morrison after the G7 meeting in the UK, went with his family on a family trip to Cornwell after that?https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-...n-uk/100229960 Yet there are Australians here that can't even go to a funeral of their dead relatives in the UK? Prime Minister Scott Morrison has been labelled "insensitive" by Australians stuck overseas after it was revealed he took time out of the schedule at the G7 summit in Cornwall last weekend to trace his Cornish ancestry.
Key points:
Scott Morrison visited a local jail with which he has ancestral ties while in the UK for G7
He has defended the stop-offs as "pretty innocent"
The PM is back in Australia and quarantining at The Lodge in Canberra
The Prime Minister was already facing a backlash for going to three pubs during his visit to the UK, at a time when most Australians are banned from leaving the country.
How about a woman in Australia who is fully vaccinated and unable to go get permission from the Government here in Australia can't even go to her mothers funeral in the UK? https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-...tion/100439532 Yet the Prime Minister was freely able to travel a few hundred kilometers to spend fathers day with his father and also what he did when he was in the UK with his family there?
BTW Texas which is a Republican strong hold state, where one can carry a gun around in public, and now abortion is totally banned. Yet in my state it is in a so called conservative government in Australia and the government legalised abortion? Actually conservative government means different things.
Plus only a minor party in Australia which would never have a chance to be a major political party is very pro gun, and they have more in common with the Republicans.
Australia liberal party is more in common with the Conservative Party in Canada and the Torries in the UK.
The only similarities is the Republican and Liberal party are pro big businesses and for lower taxes for big companies.
Anyone who is not amused, clearly doesn't understand the situation very well. The rules are in place for all federal ministers and shadow ministers. He didn't need or receive any special treatment not available to and used by all of his contemporaries and counterparts, including the chief ALP protagonist on TV today Bill Shorten who did precisely the same thing.
This is a primary example of tall poppy syndrome in action and selective "outrage".
Yeah I know it’s allowed, but when you have so many people separated from their families, it’s not a good look.
The pollies should at least attempt to suffer like everyone else.
Anyway just letting the poster I replied to know it’s not gone down well with the citizenry, for the most part.
Good thing we’re not in an actual war or anything.
Not sure you guys could cope.
Quarantine is an appropriate response to an infectious disease. As is vaccination.
If people don’t like the way this is handled, they can vote in different representation next year. There’s a few people in government who aren’t going to survive this.
(BTW, that’s not how dictatorships work).
Even prisoners of war have rights, per the Geneva Convention.
They are quarantining people over a PCR test. There is a burden of proof about whether such a test is accurate, or whether people are contagious, that governments have NOT met. Also, in the video the person was supposed to be let out, but wasn't.
Why are you not concerned about what happened in the video? What if that was your family member, having a psychotic break or mental breakdown, and the guards doing nothing to help?
Dictatorships DO have elections. They are just not honest elections.
Even prisoners of war have rights, per the Geneva Convention.
They are quarantining people over a PCR test. There is a burden of proof about whether such a test is accurate, or whether people are contagious, that governments have NOT met. Also, in the video the person was supposed to be let out, but wasn't.
Why are you not concerned about what happened in the video? What if that was your family member, having a psychotic break or mental breakdown, and the guards doing nothing to help?
Dictatorships DO have elections. They are just not honest elections.
I suspect they don’t care because they have unreasonable fear and panic over a virus with a 99%+ survival rate. It’s not them being locked up (yet) and it’s keeping them “safe” so it’s ok.
Even prisoners of war have rights, per the Geneva Convention.
They are quarantining people over a PCR test. There is a burden of proof about whether such a test is accurate, or whether people are contagious, that governments have NOT met. Also, in the video the person was supposed to be let out, but wasn't.
Why are you not concerned about what happened in the video? What if that was your family member, having a psychotic break or mental breakdown, and the guards doing nothing to help?
Dictatorships DO have elections. They are just not honest elections.
Ok, there’s nothing dishonest about our elections, so no need to start tip toeing down that path.
And no, they aren’t quarantining people over a PCR test. People are going into hotel quarantine after they’ve either returned from overseas travel or gone to another state from a hotspot area.
It’s well known that’s what you have to do under those circumstances. Is it ideal? No. The better alternative would be for people to isolate at home - but that assumes they had somewhere to go where they aren’t going to infect other people. You may think that’s trivial, but in most cities in Australia there’s still zero Covid transmission in the community, and ALL outbreaks can be sourced back to people coming in from overseas.
If you test positive in other circumstances you have to stay home and isolate for 14 days, there’s no quarantine in a hotel, a “camp” or anywhere else. While you’re positive, if you start showing symptoms, doctors from your local hospital will check in with you every day to make sure you’re doing ok.
I feel bad for the poor gentleman in the video, but he’s lost his temper after realising he won’t get out until midnight, not because he’s not being let out on time. People lose their tempers. I hope that cop got some help in getting him to calm down. We don’t know what happened after the video stopped.
Listen, we have 1/10 people who get Covid ending up being hospitalised. There’s rules around this contagion while it’s still active and causing issues. The rules will change as more people get vaxxed and the disease becomes endemic. We don’t want the kinds of numbers of dead and sick people that other countries have had to deal with.
We were in a unique position that by asking people to quarantine when they came in from overseas, it was possible to keep the virus at bay until there was an appropriate medical response. The Delta outbreak was caused by ONE driver driving a flight crew from the US to their hotel. In other words, he didn’t get them into hotel quarantine safely, and voila, lockdowns in our biggest city.
If we didn’t have these measures, we would have thousands and thousands in hospital since June, when that happened. Not sustainable.
We live in a massive continent geographically with a very small population. Where do you propose we get the medical staff to look after thousands and thousands of sick people that require hospitalisation?
There a huge uptake of vaccination in this country. Strategies will change accordingly.
I suspect they don’t care because they have unreasonable fear and panic over a virus with a 99%+ survival rate. It’s not them being locked up (yet) and it’s keeping them “safe” so it’s ok.
I’ll put the same question to you - without mitigation measures like lockdown and isolation we’d have at least 5000 people in Sydney in the hospital at this point, since the June outbreak.
1/10 people are being hospitalised. Sydney has some very high density hoods, and Delta is very contagious.
How do you propose we look after 5,000 very sick people?
If this gets out into the very remote communities, how do you propose we look after those people, when there’s few ICU beds out in the Outback?
Long haul Covid means something else/worse in Australia
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"I can’t say, as I stand here right now, how many – how long [the vaccine passport program] will be on, how long it will be a feature of things,” Andrews ominously said in a press conference. “But, you know, arguably, it won’t be a vaccine passport you’ll be showing in the first half of next year, it’ll be your booster passport to show that you’ve been to have your third jab.”
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