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Old 08-22-2021, 03:06 PM
 
Location: USA
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This is one of the reasons I don't see it as something recent. I know enough about U.S. history to understand that parts of the USA have resembled slums for quite some time, and have been forgotten. Corruption has been around for ages. The free market, well, I wouldn't say the free market per se. I would say mostly corruption. Parts of the Deep South were as feudalistic as plantation societies in the Caribbean.
Maybe the USA is just returning to what it has always been: a corrupt plutocracy.
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Old 08-22-2021, 03:12 PM
 
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
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I would be thinking more along the lines of Venezuela or Cuba.

Two classes seem to be emerging in the US. Liberal left wing idealists and the working class who fund them and do their bidding. I suppose it's a balanced system, one could say. The one side does the thinking, deciding and instructing while the other side does their bidding and labor.

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Old 08-22-2021, 03:26 PM
 
Location: Niceville, FL
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Yep, about as close to Brazil they can make it. Now if only they can wall in these cities and let the problem sort itself out.
It’s already there- see the rise of the gated community, particularly in the Sunbelt.

And the thing with American optimism and exceptionalism is that so many rush to embrace it because they believe they’ll be the person with the McMansion behind the gate and not the person hired to clean the McMansion’s toilets for $10/hour
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Old 08-22-2021, 03:32 PM
 
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It’s certainly not becoming Norway.
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Old 08-22-2021, 03:42 PM
 
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It’s already there- see the rise of the gated community, particularly in the Sunbelt.

And the thing with American optimism and exceptionalism is that so many rush to embrace it because they believe they’ll be the person with the McMansion behind the gate and not the person hired to clean the McMansion’s toilets for $10/hour
At one time, that was a realistic goal for many Americans. At the very least, SEC movement from working class to middle/upper-middle class was certainly a reachable goal, one I’ve personally witnessed more times than not.

Grandparents who worked as factory laborers or secretarial, kids went to college and moved into professional middle class, grandkids more educated and moved into upper-middle. A select few in the second generation skyrocketed past upper middle class by inventing a valuable product and making sound business decisions.

But that was in a different time period, with different social and economic conditions.

Today? Who knows…so much is different now.
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Old 08-22-2021, 03:42 PM
 
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It’s certainly not becoming Norway.
It was never going to be Norway. And I'm not talking about demographics. I'm speaking about how things are ran.
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Old 08-22-2021, 03:46 PM
 
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Maybe the USA is just returning to what it has always been: a corrupt plutocracy.
Correct, the USA peaked as a cohesive society in the 30s-90s. That was after a lot of immigration from northern Europe, plus a century or more of cultural exchange, raised the bar for the existing inhabitants.

At this point the only hope for a high-trust, cohesive society is immigration from east Asia. Population pressures are such that northern Europe will no longer supply immigrants.
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Old 08-22-2021, 03:52 PM
 
Location: Sector 001
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Nordic countries are losing their prestige status as the global elites force feed refugees into those countries also. I mean, I'm not against all immigration, but the force feeding of people who suck from government services without contributing brings a whole host of problems with it. Allowing people to form their own subcultures within countries instead of assimilating with the host culture and learning it's language also brings with it problems.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/11/b...migration.html

The "smart people" simply don't understand science as much as they claim too. They tend to act based on how they feel, and worry about the consequences later.
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Old 08-22-2021, 03:57 PM
 
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Correct, the USA peaked as a cohesive society in the 30s-90s. That was after a lot of immigration from northern Europe, plus a century or more of cultural exchange, raised the bar for the existing inhabitants.

At this point the only hope for a high-trust, cohesive society is immigration from east Asia. Population pressures are such that northern Europe will no longer supply immigrants.

No, it’s to close immigration completely for a set time period, and for everyone to assimilate by taking the best features of all the cultures in the USA, to form a singular culture underpinning a cohesive, well-functioning society.

But we know that will NEVER happen.
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Old 08-22-2021, 04:03 PM
 
Location: A Nation Possessed
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Not from where I sit. Sorry if your lives are so rough that's how you feel. Hope things get better.
That can be said in any nation. Even the poorest, most retched countries on earth. It is said by the elites in those nations. There are people in Somalia who can say exactly what you say here. It must be nice, huh? But remember, Marie Antoinette said that as well... and presumably something about eating cake.
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