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Old 09-19-2021, 01:29 PM
 
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No it MIGHT make things worse!!


People who have been VAXED are more dangerous than those who havent been!!
Let me guess, you believe they are "shedding the virus" and are a danger to those around them, right? Or the vaccines are a ploy to connect people to 5G networks (for some dark, unknown nefarious reason). Or maybe they are magnetic, or have placed trackers inside the bodies of the vaxxed. Or maybe they are able to tune in the radio now through their teeth fillings.

These are all (except for that last one--as of yet) reasons that people give for why being vaccinated is bad. Each one more stupid than the last.
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Old 09-19-2021, 02:10 PM
 
Location: Charleston, SC
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My work is doing this now. Sending emails that it’s “time to act”. “We don’t know the complications of others in our lives or the people we interact with everyday so we need to step up”. “We are part of an organization that takes steps to protect the health and safety of those around us”. “It isn’t about individual rights but about caring for each other” “This is one of the most tested treatments in history”. Is it?

All but saying it’s mandatory. Yet many of us work from home. I just don’t like this “for the greater good” mentality.
I got the vaccine. No big deal. Took the weekend off and had a minor fever. I also had contracted covid, spent 15k in ER visits, got the antibodies, and don't want to go through this anymore. But you do you. Let us know how it works out for you.
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Old 09-19-2021, 02:19 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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I dont think people are being pressured. Here is to the power of advertising

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Old 09-19-2021, 02:22 PM
 
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No it MIGHT make things worse!!


People who have been VAXED are more dangerous than those who havent been!!
Vaccinated people have less viral load than unvaccinated.
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Old 09-19-2021, 02:23 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Luckily, the company I work for isn't falling for this crap. If you want to get vaccinated, the do it. If not, then don't. They don't even enforce wearing masks, which I do not. It's one good thing of living in Florida. Even then, if the company got closed, I still make good money off of my real estate rentals, and I don't even have to leave my property to deal with that. It's going to take internet companies and banks to be like "either you show your vaccination papers or you cannot do business with us" for something big to happen. But I can always get my doctor to sign a waiver, which he has. Citizen rights are a b^&*tch for tyrants, huh?
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Old 09-19-2021, 02:39 PM
 
Location: A Nation Possessed
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Children are dying from Covid every day, and while the numbers are low, it is still tragic that people would refuse a viable vaccination that would greatly reduce the risk to those children. It is the anti-vaxxers that are sacrificing the children for fear of a needle.

159 children, 4 and under have died. 357 children, 5 to 18, have died. If your kid/grandkid was in the number you would feel differently.
Children are dying in car accidents every day. It's tragic that you would insist on driving and endangering them, rather than walking everywhere you go. All because you are afraid of a little exercise.

Children are far more likely to DIE OF LIGHTNING STRIKE than of covid. Should we all start walking around in portable faraday cages?


Using your numbers, here is the death rate for children: 0.000000454

That is essentially zero. What is an acceptable death rate for a disease in your mind? And if you say zero, why then is a non-zero death rate acceptable to you in EVERY other walk of life?


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reasons that people give for why being vaccinated is bad. Each one more stupid than the last.
Tell me if you regularly buy products or services wherein the manufacturer or provider has made it clear that the DO NOT stand behind the safety of their product, do not even claim the safety, and have explicitly relieved themselves of any legal responsibility via the US government for future problems, side-effects, etc.

Would you consume a can of soup where on the label it explicitly states that the cannery accepts no responsibility if the soup turns out to be poison? or would you buy a car where on the sticker it says, "If the wheel falls off as you drive down the freeway, we accept no responsibility.

If you do buy and consume such products, you are a fool.

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Old 09-19-2021, 03:13 PM
 
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Children are dying in car accidents every day. It's tragic that you would insist on driving and endangering them, rather than walking everywhere you go. All because you are afraid of a little exercise.

Children are far more likely to DIE OF LIGHTNING STRIKE than of covid. Should we all start walking around in portable faraday cages?


Using your numbers, here is the death rate for children: 0.000000454

That is essentially zero. What is an acceptable death rate for a disease in your mind? And if you say zero, why then is a non-zero death rate acceptable to you in EVERY other walk of life?




Tell me if you regularly buy products or services wherein the manufacturer or provider has made it clear that the DO NOT stand behind the safety of their product, do not even claim the safety, and have explicitly relieved themselves of any legal responsibility via the US government for future problems, side-effects, etc.

Would you consume a can of soup where on the label it explicitly states that the cannery accepts no responsibility if the soup turns out to be poison? or would you buy a car where on the sticker it says, "If the wheel falls off as you drive down the freeway, we accept no responsibility.

If you do buy and consume such products, you are a fool.
{shrug} we do what we can to minimize all those other forms of childhood deaths. Everything made for children has to meet certain safety standards. If you have a home pool, certain safety elements are required, etc. If you are happy with doing nothing to prevent childhood deaths from Covid, and watch 100s of them die, you have their blood on your hands.

And in virtually every case, the manufactures of vaccines are immune from prosecution. Trying to conflate Covid with a can of soup or a car wheel is just a feeble attempt to deflect.

I can only hope that you don't learn this the hard way, up close and personal.
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Old 09-20-2021, 06:01 AM
 
Location: NH
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{shrug} we do what we can to minimize all those other forms of childhood deaths. Everything made for children has to meet certain safety standards. If you have a home pool, certain safety elements are required, etc. If you are happy with doing nothing to prevent childhood deaths from Covid, and watch 100s of them die, you have their blood on your hands.

And in virtually every case, the manufactures of vaccines are immune from prosecution. Trying to conflate Covid with a can of soup or a car wheel is just a feeble attempt to deflect.

I can only hope that you don't learn this the hard way, up close and personal.
Please let me know if I am misinterpreting the data but according to the CDC website "we estimate that there were approximately 480 deaths associated with influenza in children during 2018–2019" flu season. Also on the CDC website, from 1 Jan 2020 to 15 Sep 2021 516 children under 18 have died of Covid.

So 480 children died from the flu just during flu season which the CDC says can start as early as October and last as late as May (8 months) and 516 children have died from Covid in a 19 months. To me, it seems like the flu hit children much harder than Covid; 60 flu deaths a month compared to roughly 27 Covid deaths per month.

If flu deaths in this age group were never highlighted, why are the Covid deaths?
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Old 09-20-2021, 06:12 AM
 
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I got the vaccine. No big deal. Took the weekend off and had a minor fever. I also had contracted covid, spent 15k in ER visits, got the antibodies, and don't want to go through this anymore. But you do you. Let us know how it works out for you.
You were ignorant to get the vaccine if you had previously contracted Covid. There was no logical reason to do that. Natural immunity is 26 times stronger protection then the vaccine.
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Old 09-20-2021, 11:35 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Children are dying from Covid every day, and while the numbers are low, it is still tragic that people would refuse a viable vaccination that would greatly reduce the risk to those children. It is the anti-vaxxers that are sacrificing the children for fear of a needle.

159 children, 4 and under have died. 357 children, 5 to 18, have died. If your kid/grandkid was in the number you would feel differently.
How many children have died in Chicago during the same time period? It's deadlier for children under 18 to live in Chicago than to get Covid. Let's ban children from living in Chicago!
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