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Old 08-25-2021, 11:52 AM
 
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If frustrating when the owner of the company says it’s a “absolutely the right thing to do “no brainer”. Makes the people have concerns feel like they are doing stupid or wrong.
Absolutely. It also rings false when they talk about "caring for one another" when simultaneously saying the below. I don't fool easily. This is a power play. Each business wants to virtue signal by being able to advertise they have a "fully vaccinated workplace". IMO this is what it boils down to for them. They couldn't care less if you have bad side effects or even become disabled from the shot. They care about money and their bottom line.

McAuliffe asks employers to mandate vaccines to 'make life difficult' for unvaccinated

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...?ocid=msedgntp
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Old 08-25-2021, 11:55 AM
 
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To anyone facing vaccine mandates against their will, please read the full approval letter, link here. You should note they approved the drug Comirnaty, and kept Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine (they claim both vaccines are the same) under EUA. See footnotes 8:

The licensed vaccine has the same formulation as the EUA-authorized vaccine and the products can be used interchangeably to provide the vaccination series without presenting any safety or effectiveness concerns. The products are legally distinct with certain differences that do not impact safety or effectiveness.

And 9: Although COMIRNATY (COVID-19 Vaccine, mRNA) is approved to prevent COVID-19 in individuals 16 years of age and older, there is not sufficient approved vaccine available for distribution to this population in its entirety at the time of reissuance of this EUA. Additionally, there are no products that are approved to prevent COVID-19 in individuals age 12 through 15, or that are approved to provide an additional dose to the immunocompromised population described in this EUA.

So for anyone facing a mandate based on full-FDA approval, request the fully-approved Comirnaty (which they aren't producing) that is subject to manufacturer (Pfizer) liability if adverse events occur. Such legal protection isn't available to the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine still under EUA.

Still waiting for the media to point out this, from the approval documents themselves (FDA giving liability cover to Pfizer). If the vaccines are the same, and "safe and effective" why does the FDA have to do this legal square dance?

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Old 08-25-2021, 11:57 AM
 
Location: Philaburbia
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And all the labeling of others and using circular reasoning like this does is divide people. Unfortunately, that falls on deaf ears when people are close-minded and intellectually rigid, only believing what they want to believe.
LMAO. Such irony!
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Old 08-25-2021, 12:00 PM
 
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Absolutely. It also rings false when they talk about "caring for one another" when simultaneously saying the below. I don't fool easily. This is a power play. Each business wants to virtue signal by being able to advertise they have a "fully vaccinated workplace". IMO this is what it boils down to for them. They couldn't care less if you have bad side effects or even become disabled from the shot. They care about money and their bottom line.

McAuliffe asks employers to mandate vaccines to 'make life difficult' for unvaccinated

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...?ocid=msedgntp

Hell, why stop with just vaccines. Carrying a few extra pounds? Time to "make life difficult" for Ron. Jill had unprotected sex over the weekend? Sorry, Jill, we need to "make life difficult" for you because now you have an STD, we won't be allowing you to have hospital treatment or drugs. Bill likes to day drink on the weekends? Sorry, Bill, we've gotta "make life difficult" for you. No treatment for your heart problems, or medication. George was tailgating and caused a crash? Sorry, we can't cover your ER visit or your car insurance anymore, gotta "make life difficult" for you. <Repeat ad nauseum with multiple scenarios.>
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Old 08-25-2021, 12:02 PM
 
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Selfish is as selfish does.

Great societies have been wiped out by disease. No doubt ours can be too.

Fire, water, disease, heat...it seems like we are on the cusp. Many are waiting for "someone to do something". Others have tried desperately to educate and inform. All to no avail.

They don't ring a bell folks. Likely we are in the final stages. Wont much matter if you choose to go it alone. Might make your final days a lot nastier, but you will have stuck to your principles.

Good on you. They can put that on your tombstone, although it is more likely to be an unmarked, mass grave.
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Old 08-25-2021, 12:03 PM
 
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The solution is to make anyone who has refused to get vaccinated "GO TO THE END OF THE LINE" for medical treatment when they catch the virus. Anyone have a problem with that?
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Old 08-25-2021, 12:03 PM
 
Location: NY
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Absolutely. It also rings false when they talk about "caring for one another" when simultaneously saying the below. I don't fool easily. This is a power play. Each business wants to virtue signal by being able to advertise they have a "fully vaccinated workplace". IMO this is what it boils down to for them. They couldn't care less if you have bad side effects or even become disabled from the shot. They care about money and their bottom line.

McAuliffe asks employers to mandate vaccines to 'make life difficult' for unvaccinated

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...?ocid=msedgntp
The vaccine mandates are a punishment for the unvaccinated, whether un-vaxxed by choice or necessity. Meanwhile the vaccinated can spew delta around like a garden hose, and no one wonders how they are harming the public good. It's more about signaling obedience at this point, not the virus.

There is ONE mitigation strategy that I want people to do, yet rarely see it happen. Open the darn windows!! Studies have shown it provides better protection than masking, yet I still enter stuffy indoor spaces where they could open doors or windows, and they don't. Maybe I should guilt trip them... Ask them how many people they are willing to murder with Covid by keeping windows shut? Tell them they are literally killing people.
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Old 08-25-2021, 12:07 PM
 
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LMAO. Such irony!
And yet more dodging and deflecting from someone that can't refute a comment by using intellect and a valid argument instead of childish barbs.
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Old 08-25-2021, 12:08 PM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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My work is doing this now. Sending emails that it’s “time to act”. “We don’t know the complications of others in our lives or the people we interact with everyday so we need to step up”. “We are part of an organization that takes steps to protect the health and safety of those around us”. “It isn’t about individual rights but about caring for each other” “This is one of the most tested treatments in history”. Is it?

All but saying it’s mandatory. Yet many of us work from home. I just don’t like this “for the greater good” mentality.
Yes, it is about individual rights. Everything starts there, and until we're satisfied about that, the discussion doesn't go any further than that.

Until recently, there was an unspoken, and even unconscious agreement among most citizens regarding what principles and values we espouse as a citizenry. We agreed on what is fundamentally right and wrong.

Those days are gone.

So now we have to have that conversation before going any further. It seems that a lot of people have either forgotten what it means to be an American, or they never understood it correctly in the first place.

Regardless of why, the conversation must be had, and those who understand what we have in this country and how special it is will NOT give it up. Not for someone's "feelz" about a flu bug, not for their grandmother's safety and not even for our own.

Some ideas really ARE that important, and the agreement of any individual or even a bamboozled society is irrelevant to that fact.

In a free country, the authorities make their case to the People and hope that the people agree and do whatever it is that the authorities want. If the People choose not to, then the authorities failed to make a convincing case.

"Just say NO to drugs."

The authorities failed to make a convincing case. Now, marijuana is legal in one form or another in the majority of states. Some states or localities just stopped enforcing drug laws or even pass out paraphernalia to addicts for free. You can agree or disagree with the idea of the drug war, don't care, the point is that the authorities failed to make a convincing case, people ignored the laws and protested, and eventually the laws changed.

The People told the government what to do. Not the other way around. That's how it's supposed to be. Is that how we've been living for the last two years? Does it really feel like we're free?
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Old 08-25-2021, 12:12 PM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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Fire, water, disease, heat...it seems like we are on the cusp.
It only seems that way.

Turn off media. ALL media. Just go out in the world. It's not as bad as they say it is. Really.
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