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Old 08-25-2021, 12:22 PM
 
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Delta is a self-insurer and they say covid hospitalizations are hurting their bottom line. They pay $50,000 average hospital costs for covid. So they have decided to make the refuseniks pay their freight. Not only that, but Delta will make any unvaxxed use their sick time for covid while paying vaxxed for the time off. We have this sort of thing already for smokers, so it makes sense and $200 per month should lead to a change of heart with many employees making the airline a safer place for everyone to travel.

https://www.reuters.com/business/aer...ff-2021-08-25/
So what they are really saying is that a vaccinated person who has COVID walks into the office who thought they just had a cold or allergies because they are "vaccinated" and didn't think it was COVID. They then give COVID to 2 employees, one vaccinated one unvaccinated. So Delta pays for the vaccinated employees' treatment and tells the unvaccinated person "pay up".
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Old 08-25-2021, 12:22 PM
 
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Interesting way to discriminate. The people at highest risk of becoming hospitalized for Covid are obese.
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Old 08-25-2021, 12:44 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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Isn’t this a crazy violation of both pre existing condition type laws, HIPAA, and discrimination laws? Does the law even ****ing matter in this country anymore?

Also why are the unvaccinated paying for what will undoubtedly be the vaccinated getting sick with covid?
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Old 08-25-2021, 12:48 PM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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Interesting way to discriminate. The people at highest risk of becoming hospitalized for Covid are obese.
I believe vaccinated/unvaccinated has become the top differentiator for hospitalizations, replacing age.

I read/heard that earlier this week, but can't find it again at the moment.
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Old 08-25-2021, 01:03 PM
 
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2400 a year is squat relatively speaking. Unless the employee has a spouse and 3-4 unvaccinated kids but for single employees or married employees with no kids they can probably just switch to their spouse’s jobs insurance policy. A pretty big amount of Delta employees also make 100,000 or more so yeah, this won’t move the needle much
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Old 08-25-2021, 01:07 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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So what they are really saying is that a vaccinated person who has COVID walks into the office who thought they just had a cold or allergies because they are "vaccinated" and didn't think it was COVID. They then give COVID to 2 employees, one vaccinated one unvaccinated. So Delta pays for the vaccinated employees' treatment and tells the unvaccinated person "pay up".
If the vaccinated case is a breakthrough that isn't say like 90 and are mild symptoms. Only about 0.004% of the breakthrough COVID cases have resulted in hospitalization. Good chance all Delta and others following Delta's lead would only pay the sick leave, not hospitalizations.

Now for unvaccinated employees, it is not the same. Unvaccinated COVID cases especially with Delta have a higher cost and seriousness it seems. The ICUs have filled up and continue to do so.
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Old 08-25-2021, 01:12 PM
 
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If the vaccinated case is a breakthrough that isn't say like 90 and are mild symptoms. Only about 0.004% of the breakthrough COVID cases have resulted in hospitalization. Good chance all Delta and others following Delta's lead would only pay the sick leave, not hospitalizations.

Now for unvaccinated employees, it is not the same. Unvaccinated COVID cases especially with Delta have a higher cost and seriousness it seems. The ICUs have filled up and continue to do so.
Delta arguing that each hospitalized employee costs them 40K seems pretty suspect if you ask me
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Old 08-25-2021, 01:14 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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2400 a year is squat relatively speaking. Unless the employee has a spouse and 3-4 unvaccinated kids but for single employees or married employees with no kids they can probably just switch to their spouse’s jobs insurance policy. A pretty big amount of Delta employees also make 100,000 or more so yeah, this won’t move the needle much
It'll make them hate working there a lot though. And on their way out, which is basically being paid for, they'll make everyone else hate working there too. Great investment Delta ya ****ing idiots!
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Old 08-25-2021, 01:20 PM
 
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If the vaccinated case is a breakthrough that isn't say like 90 and are mild symptoms. Only about 0.004% of the breakthrough COVID cases have resulted in hospitalization. Good chance all Delta and others following Delta's lead would only pay the sick leave, not hospitalizations.

Now for unvaccinated employees, it is not the same. Unvaccinated COVID cases especially with Delta have a higher cost and seriousness it seems. The ICUs have filled up and continue to do so.
The CDC admits that to "improve" their data they are only tracking breakthrough cases if they result in hospitalization or death. So perhaps you can post a source as to where you pulled that 0.004% number from.

As for the unvaccinated statistics you posted..oh wait you didn't post any statistics. Your justification for your claim was "it seems".

And you don't see anything wrong with this?
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Old 08-25-2021, 01:20 PM
 
Location: Vallejo
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Isn’t this a crazy violation of both pre existing condition type laws, HIPAA, and discrimination laws? Does the law even ****ing matter in this country anymore?

Also why are the unvaccinated paying for what will undoubtedly be the vaccinated getting sick with covid?
No, not a violation of HIPAA. HIPAA prevents your doctor from sharing your medical information without your permission. Delta doesn't need to go to your doctor. They can just tell you to provide proof of vaccination or pay $200 more for your health insurance.

So yes, the law matters. Someone's misunderstanding of the law matters less. Ignorance of the law never really gets anyone very far.
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