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Old 08-20-2021, 02:45 PM
 
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Systemic racism was the rule in 19th century America. Even most abolitionists were believers in white supremacy. Abraham Lincoln certainly was. Even as a child growing up in the mid-20th century, I could still see plenty of evidence of systemic racism. You would have had to be blind not to see it.

Nonetheless I see that racism is no longer a much of factor. Americans largely understand now that the nation was founded up an idea, not a skin tone. Americans love each other regardless of skin tone. I offer 4 proofs of this.

1)Hate crime hoaxes. Hate Crime Hoax by sociology professor Wilfred Reilly(a black man) lists a database of over 400 hate crime hoaxes, all verified by police reports and court documents. The book was released before the case of Jussie Smollett, so that is not even included. It would have been icing on the cake.

If there was systemic racism still in the US, there would not be a need for this. There would be plenty of actual racism for the press to cover.

2)Lack of choir-boy victims, especially in cases of police violence. Why is it that virtually every high profile purported 'victim' of racial violence are thugs, druggies, and ne'er-do-wells. Michael 'hands up, don't shoot' Brown had robbed a convenience store just before being shot by police. George Floyd was a serious druggie. Jacob Blake had a history of sexual assault and domestic violence. Even Breonna Taylor, doubtless wrongfully shot in a police raid, had ties to drug dealing. She once had a dead body found in a car she had rented. The car was found with a man, shot 8 times and slumped over the steering wheel. Oops, hate when that happens!

If there were systemic racism practiced by police, there would be a slew of choir-boy victims for the press to cover. Instead they have to settle for the Mike Browns and George Floyds.

3)Identity hoaxes. Rachael Dolezal is just one example of an increasing trend. She was a woman of German and Swedish lineage who pretended to be black. There was 'Hilaria' Baldwin, wife of Alec Baldwin, who claimed to be Hispanic. She was eventually outed when she forgot to assume her Spanish accent. Her birth name was Hillary, not Hilaria. Also Sen. Elizabeth Warren, who was said to be Harvard Law School's first 'woman of color.' Granted that "person of color" is difficult to define, but a DNA test revealed Warren to be as pallorous as Dolezal.

If there were remaining systemic racism, we would not be seeing these cases of whites pretending to be 'people of color.' Obviously.

4)Our Southern border. It is estimated that 1.8 illegal aliens have crossed the southern border since Biden took office in January. These "brown people," as liberals call them, are risking their lives to enter a country that is systemically racist against them? Highly doubtful.

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Old 08-20-2021, 04:06 PM
 
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A few years back I got to meet a childhood hero of mine, a black man who played for the Chicago Cubs in the 1970s. He told me that the Cubs management forbade him from dating white women while he was on their payroll. This was the 1970s, not the 1870s. That was actual systemic racism by the Cubs.

This guy retired to the Seattle area and is married to a white woman. I got to meet her too, and she is very happy that her husband declined to comply with the Cubs.

So then, I am not one to deny the racism of the past. However, it is in decline and approaching the point of being an asymptote in 2021 in America.
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Old 08-20-2021, 04:09 PM
 
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I could have offered a 5th proof also: approx. 1 in 5 marriages in the US are now inter-racial marriages.
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Old 08-20-2021, 04:12 PM
 
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Have you read this very board? Racism abounds in this country.
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Old 08-20-2021, 04:17 PM
 
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Not quite, but nice try. Systemic racism is a complex, deep rooted, decades long issue that still very much exists. A big reason being: people keep trying say that it no longer exists...

I'd be happy to discuss why systemic racism is still very much alive, but the CD horde will make that impossible. I have one great example, but I already know what the excuse given will be. So simple answer is: no systemic racism is not dead, nor is it dying. Racism today is arguably worse than it was 20 years ago.

And youre using Rachel Dolezal as evidence. That alone makes it moot. Hopefully that didn't take too long to type.
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Old 08-20-2021, 04:32 PM
 
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None of your four points proves systemic racism doesn't exist. In fact, studies have been done that show first time offenders, one black and one white who committed the same crime, will very often result in harsher sentencing for the black offender. That's systemic racism.

Having said that, I think people fail to point out that claims black students / people can't do certain things or can't keep up is also systemic racism.

And with the trend of college courses teaching classes that are anti-white is also an example of systemic racism.

I looked for a list of examples of systemic racism and found things like shorter life expectancy, higher infant mortality rates and more college debt on the list - none of which is systemic racism, in my opinion. The last one is particularly odd, given the fact that white students are also stuck with college debt.
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Old 08-20-2021, 04:36 PM
 
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You got any sources to cite your claims?
I did cite one source: the book 'Hate Crime Hoax' by prof. Wilfred Reilly, a sociologist and lawyer. This is one of the best books to come out in the last couple years. He compiled a list of over 400 hoaxes going back to the Tawana Brawley case. You will note that there were very few, if any, such hoaxes prior to 1980. That's because there was so much actual racism that there was no need for liberals to fabricate it.

As for points 2 thru 4, sources can be easily found with a couple minutes on duckduckgo.com The post was already too long for this forum, and I did not want to expand it with a bunch of citations.

Instead of asking for sources, a better tack would be to provide a counter-argument, to which I would gladly respond. So far I don't see any counter arguments.
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Old 08-20-2021, 04:39 PM
 
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The people who cry systemic racism are usually bone white self hating liberals.
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Old 08-20-2021, 04:43 PM
 
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Not quite, but nice try. Systemic racism is a complex, deep rooted, decades long issue that still very much exists. A big reason being: people keep trying say that it no longer exists...

I'd be happy to discuss why systemic racism is still very much alive, but the CD horde will make that impossible. I have one great example, but I already know what the excuse given will be. So simple answer is: no systemic racism is not dead, nor is it dying. Racism today is arguably worse than it was 20 years ago.

And youre using Rachel Dolezal as evidence. That alone makes it moot. Hopefully that didn't take too long to type.
So what is your explanation for Rachel Dolezal? Why would a lily-white woman pretend to be black in a country of systemic racism? And it's not just her. There have been several high-profile cases. As I mentioned, Sen. Warren is the most famous to have claimed being a 'woman of color. Rep. Rashida Tlaib has claimed to be 'of color.' She's of Palestinian ancestry. The Palestinians are largely white. They originally came to 'Palestine' from the islands of the Aegean Sea. If she's a 'person of color' then so are the Greeks.
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Old 08-20-2021, 04:45 PM
 
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None of your four points proves systemic racism doesn't exist. .
Technically perhaps you are right. It is difficult to impossible to prove a negative. So maybe I should have used the word 'evidence' instead of 'proof.'
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