A logical, science based, course of action in fighting the Covid Pandemic (school, biased)
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I was asking my daughter who is treating covids in an ICU setting about regeneron last night. She said few patients ever get it because it needs to be given within five days of infection to work. People have mild symptoms and delay testing, and even if testing positive go/are sent home. Typically they get better after a few days or rapidly advance to a serious state. By then it is too late to give them regeneron.
As for the OP's suggestion that the old people be protected and we let 'er rip with the younger ones, well that is what we are doing in fact. Over 65s are nearly 90% vaxxed around the country. They are far and few between in the covid wards now. It is the younger people that are getting sick and dying.
Two of the patients in my kid's hospital who died recently were pregnant. Their babies were born by c-section. The NICU made cards of their footprints saying "I love you, mommy" and gave them to the mothers. These women never got to hold their children. They would have lived to do that had they simply gotten the vaccination. So sad, so stupid. Stop this nonsense that young people don't die of this thing.
you know, there was a period where they advised pregnant women NOT to get vaccinated.
And it is indeed the old (65+) that are still the largest subgroup in hospitals. Find us ANY hospitalization data that says otherwise.
So we can respect studies that suggest natural immunity may be more effective but refuse the same institutions doing studies that show masking, social guidelines and vaccines will be effective in reducing the spread.
The article cited is full of misinformation.
Americans have not been told natural immunity is not as effective, that's not at all what Americans have been told.
Americans have been told that we need to mitigate the spread, slow it down so that we don't have burdens on our health care systems and we don't kill off people with underlying conditions not diabetes, etc.....
The strategy was to stop the virus from hitting all of those people at the same time.
There are numerous reports from Florida of people who don't have COVID not getting the medical attention they need because COVID has put an unusual burden on their hospital system.
So the CDC, Fauci and other medical experts suggest, promote, advise for vaccines and masks and social distancing to avoid that burden.
And eventual maybe we can conclude that in the long term natural immunity is most effective but that doesns't still suggest the best idea is for everyone to go out and get the virus to build up their immunity.
And I love how folks who are skeptical of the overwhelming scientific research that shows the vaccine, mask use, social distancing are all effective in reducing (not stopping or preventing) the virus are bogus but this one study by this one place must be gospel and the absolute evidence we need to abandon the other guidelines.
please provide any study that shows the masking that 95% of folks are doing makes a significant difference.
Vaccination? Absolutely!
Social distancing? Undoubtedly!
Infected and recovered? Definitely!
Our hospitals in FL are FULL of people who are not vaccinated and who did not consider themselves at risk. Your proposal does nothing for these people and those like them.
What remains unclear is whether it's the well-informed or uninformed staffers that are refusing the vax.
hopefully since mid-May, the number has increased significantly. But yes, hearing about hospital staff (including patient care) and CDC workers that choose at high levels to not get vaxxed might easily give folks pause.
Our hospitals in FL are FULL of people who are not vaccinated and who did not consider themselves at risk. Your proposal does nothing for these people and those like them.
a year ago, FL had 78K staffed in-patient beds, and about 6,000 ICU beds.
today, FL has only 58K in-patient beds, and 6,900 ICU beds.
The vitriol and snarky remarks need to stop, and common sense and reasoning needs to replace it.
JWK
Nothing "strawman" about facts. And you don't have any. What is the current breakdown of new cases requiring hospitalization? From almost every source, the answer is 90% to 98%. And if the unvaxxed represent the bulk of new cases, who then, is spreading the virus? Mostly the unvaxxed by about those same percentages.
That is what common sense and reasoning look like.
and you dont have the right to hurt me either! You and your love of restrictions can go you know where. I'm "elderly" and I'm not interested in playing your game or that of govt.
No one is trying to hurt you, but your refusal to face the facts about Covid and vaccination are putting everyone you come in contact with at risk. You are not IN danger, you ARE the danger.
And Lord knows this is not a game, and it is sad that you see it that way.
Nothing "strawman" about facts. And you don't have any. What is the current breakdown of new cases requiring hospitalization? From almost every source, the answer is 90% to 98%. And if the unvaxxed represent the bulk of new cases, who then, is spreading the virus? Mostly the unvaxxed by about those same percentages.
That is what common sense and reasoning look like.
What you might be unaware of or are intentionally omitting is that since May 1, 2021, the CDC no longer 'tabulates or counts' the PCR test results of vaccinated subjects where the sample was run at a CT value greater than 28 cycles.
Let's for a moment table the facts that 1. Unvaccinated test subjects are tested with a CT values or 35 to 50 cycles and 2. These PCR tests are being discontinued for the primary reason that the test a cannot distinguish between COVID-19 and Influenza - The tests that have been in use from the get go throw positive results regardless of a patient's actual disposition. (these very tests are still in use today/ alternative tests have not been announced).
This goes a long way into understanding why there were 38,000,000 reported cases of influenza during the 2019-2020 flu season and only 1,822 influenza cases during the 2020-2021 flu season.
You might come up with a scenario where:
1000 Unvaxxed positives at 35-45 cycles
+
900 vaxxed positives at 35-45 cycles (not counted)
+
100 vaxxed positives at <= 28 cycles
=
1000 unvaxxed & 100 vaxxed (there's your roughly 90%)
With the glaring disparities in how test results between vaxxed and unvaxxed in the US are being determined and reported on, it's no wonder the media reporting aligns with the narrative.
Countries that aren't skewing results are the U.K. Israel, Gibraltar (territory) and Iceland. Go see how they're doing.
No one is trying to hurt you, but your refusal to face the facts about Covid and vaccination are putting everyone you come in contact with at risk. You are not IN danger, you ARE the danger.
And Lord knows this is not a game, and it is sad that you see it that way.
BS. the vaccinated are spreading the disease and harming others. If I have never had covid ( the vast majority of people I know have never had the disease), wear a mask and wash my hands, guess what? Im not as dangerous as you are. You believe that you are so protected due to the vaccine and couldnt possibly harm anyone. Please go read info from the CDC and many other organizations. You are dangerous to others. Your entitlement is scary.
Nothing "strawman" about facts. And you don't have any. What is the current breakdown of new cases requiring hospitalization? From almost every source, the answer is 90% to 98%. And if the unvaxxed represent the bulk of new cases, who then, is spreading the virus? Mostly the unvaxxed by about those same percentages.
That is what common sense and reasoning look like.
Correct...almost ALL covid hospitalizations/deaths due to the UNVACCINATED
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