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Old 08-28-2021, 09:04 AM
 
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The first thing to note is more than 98% of those who get covid survive. See Mortality Analyses - Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center (jhu.edu)
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“Most people who get COVID-19 will survive. Of roughly 35.2 million confirmed COVID-19 cases in the United States, around 614,300 people, or 1.7%, have died, according to Johns Hopkins University’s mortality data as of Aug 6.”
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In regard to those people who might die or suffer a sever medical condition should they get covid, we know who those people are . . . they are the elderly and those with certain medical conditions, which puts them in a “high risk” category. So, if we protected this group from the virus [social distancing, vaccination, etc.], and allowed nature to take its course creating natural immunity in the rest of us, we would achieve herd immunity and be done with this crap.

Additionally, now that the antibody treatment has been proven to be successful [See Dr. Fauci agrees with DeSantis on COVID antibody treatments; will the AP smear him too?], if we followed the above course of action, we could lower the death toll even more and daily activities could return to normal almost immediately.

Unfortunately, we have some very dangerous nitwits in charge of some of our major cities and states. For example, NYC’s one size fits all __ No Vax, No Service __ is not only absurd, but ignores the science, and actually encourages the fully vaccinated, who are symptom free but infected with the virus, to go out and enjoy public accommodations and spread the virus, while those who are virus free and have built up natural immunity, are discriminated against by government and prohibited from going about their daily activities.

I never thought I would live to see the day when NYC’s residents would turn into sheeple and allow a certified lunatic destroy their city and treat them like school aged children.

Finally, see ‘This Ends The Debate’ – Israeli Study Shows Natural Immunity 13x More Effective Than Vaccines At Stopping Delta

JWK

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Old 08-28-2021, 09:08 AM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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That solution doesn't enrich the pharma companies, nor does it permit the government to maintain absolute control over the population.

It'll never fly.

But yea, that's ALWAYS been the course of action that I've thought would work best. Our immune systems have evolved to be pretty good. Let them work.
 
Old 08-28-2021, 10:11 AM
 
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That solution doesn't enrich the pharma companies, nor does it permit the government to maintain absolute control over the population.

It'll never fly.
You are correct, as long as the people remain sheeple.

JWK
 
Old 08-28-2021, 03:09 PM
 
Location: King County, WA
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This logic is only (somewhat) valid if one ignores the evolution of COVID-19 strains; what is true last year may not be true in 2022.
 
Old 08-28-2021, 03:13 PM
 
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A rational approach:

(1) Not everyone who receives the vaccine is immune.
(2) Not everyone who doesn't receive the vaccine is susceptible.
(3) The world isn't divided into the vaccinated and the unvaccinated. It's divided into those who possess immunity and those who do not.
(4) Vaccination is not the only way to possess immunity. Recovering from the disease also provides it.
(5) The vaccine is far from being perfect. Compared to natural immunity, the protection it affords wanes very quickly and is only directed at a single subset of Covid antigens. But it does provide some degree of protection from becoming critically ill or dying...
(6) ...However the vaccine causes mild to serious side effects in some people, up to and including death in a minority of cases.
(7) The vaccine may be inadvertently causing a degree of natural selection with regards to the virus where subsequent varients of the virus become more dangerous.

These are all simple medical facts. The question becomes how to synthesize these into rational public policy.

The wrong answers are:

Vaccines are miracle cures and everyone must get one.
Vaccines are an instrument of Satan and no one should get one.

The right answer:

Vaccination should be a tool in the medical toolbox whose use should be limited to high risk patients - the elderly, those with known comorbidities - for whom Covid poses a serious morbidity or mortality risk. Most people over the age of 50-55 should consider getting one of the vaccine types. Most people under the age of 20-25 should not consider getting one of the vaccines. This is the most effective way of reducing Covid mortality, providing the most number of people with the most broad based and durable immunity possible, and reaching a stable threshhold of herd immunity without the risk of causing viral enhancement.

There you have it. Unfortunately, a lot of other things have crept in to policy making - drug maker profits, political contributions, political power, political theater...and here we are.
 
Old 08-30-2021, 06:53 AM
 
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A logical, science based, course of action in fighting the Covid Pandemic

That ship has sailed and met with the same faith of the Titanic !!!
 
Old 08-30-2021, 05:59 PM
 
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A logical, science based, course of action in fighting the Covid Pandemic

That ship has sailed and met with the same faith of the Titanic !!!
I disagree in view of the fact more and more states are turning to the antibody treatment which is having great success!

Monoclonal antibody treatment now available in East Tennessee primary care offices
Aug 16, 2021

”KNOXVILLE, Tenn. (WATE) — There is a treatment for COVID-19 that has been around since November of 2020 according to Tennessee Health Commissioner Dr. Lisa Piercey. Its called monoclonal antibody treatment.”

”Now, it’s becoming more readily available in East Tennessee. The treatment has been used in hospitals for patients who have become critically ill with COVID-19 and who are considered ‘high risk.’’


UMMC to start monoclonal antibody clinic Tuesday

August 16, 2021

“The University of Mississippi Medical Center is now accepting appointments for a monoclonal antibody (MAB) infusion clinic for COVID-19 patients, which opens Tuesday in the field hospital located in Parking Garage B, which is across from the adult and children’s emergency rooms”
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“We know that monoclonal antibody treatments may help patients avoid progression of mild symptoms into severe disease requiring hospitalization or leading to death. The availability of this clinic offers UMMC another tool in combating the devastating effects of this pandemic and in alleviating the burden of the state’s hospital system,” said Dr. Alan Jones, associate vice chancellor for clinical affairs and COVID-19 clinical response leader.”

Antibody treatment could decrease COVID-19 hospitalizations by 80%, researcher says






August 16, 2021

“Dr. Gottlieb said the key for the antibodies to be most effective is to get them early on.”

"We've shown that if we give the antibodies early to patients at risk of progression, we can decrease the risk of hospitalization or worse by somewhere between 70% to even 87%," he said.”

”This comes as hospitals and ICUs are facing another surge, with low amounts of staffed ICU beds available for the Austin region.”

JWK
 
Old 08-30-2021, 06:20 PM
 
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A logical, science based, course of action in fighting the Covid Pandemic

That ship has sailed and met with the same faith of the Titanic !!!
** Yes and science does know the truth it created the SS Covid-19...
 
Old 08-30-2021, 06:22 PM
 
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I disagree in view of the fact more and more states are turning to the antibody treatment which is having great success!
One problem with this from medical friends I know is that it takes a long time to get the treatment because it has to be administered in a clinical setting. So it is like a week from the time ordered... that is a long time in the covid world.
 
Old 08-30-2021, 07:17 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Spanish Flu killed 2.5 %. The 1.7% is new and includes breakthrough cases and newer treatments. Unvaccinated people who self treat still have the original mortality rate of above 2 percent. It still kills plenty of younger people.
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