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Trump sold out. That is all there is to it. He made no effort to negotiate the free passage of American civilians much less the people who worked for and with our forces. It was nothing short of unconditional surrender. Biden had to clean it up. He did an admirable job given what he was handed.
Well Trumps gone. This is just one of a list of Trumps messes to clean up.
Trump sold out. That is all there is to it. He made no effort to negotiate the free passage of American civilians much less the people who worked for and with our forces. It was nothing short of unconditional surrender. Biden had to clean it up. He did an admirable job given what he was handed.
You continue to push this nonsense even when you're proven wrong and it's in black & white right in front of you.
Biden didn't clean up anything. He caused the biggest military blunder in American history and cost people their lives. There is a reason SEVENTY-FOUR PERCENT of people think the evacuation went badly.
2001- US invaded Afghanistan to crush the Taliban.
2016- Trump campaigned on the promise to withdraw all troops from Afghanistan.
2019- Trump tweets about having cancelled secret meeting with the Taliban at Camp David on 9/11/2019. Taliban blew something or another up and it was not a good optic.
2/29/2020- Pompeo and Taliban leader sign the agreement and set a deadline for troop withdrawal of 5/1/2021. In doing so, the Trump Admin legitimized the Taliban.
12/31/2020- All but 2500 troops withdrawn and 5000 Taliban fighters released from prison. What could go wrong?
1/ 2021- Biden inherits a no- win situation, that likely was intentional for political purposes.
5/1/2021- Target date is missed and Biden sets a new deadline.
Taliban begins the take over, just as planned. Afghan military is no match.
8/ 2021- Puppet Afghan president and parliament exit Afghanistan for parts unknown.
8/2021- Pompeo hits the Sunday news shows and says we need to go in and crush the Taliban, as if someone just handed him the 2001 script.
Quitting Afghanistan, like Vietnam, was never going to be a walk in the park, no matter who sat the oval.
I love how you conveniently left out Obama campaigning on ending the war. Even better, I love you conveniently left out Trump's spot on speech from fall of 2017 explaining why a hasty withdrawal can create a vacuum for terrorists.
But what I REALLY LOVE, is how you conveniently left out the part where the Dems fought Trump with Afghanistan on every turn. Save your timeline for your fellow Bidenites. We had a solid plan in place and Biden blew it. We had conditions in place and Trump's agreement was in our favor six ways to Sunday. We were free to change those conditions and the Taliban would've had to suck it up and say "yes sir."
And even if Trump's plan wasn't solid, nothing was stopping Biden from changing it. He's the same man who historically broke the record of most reverse EO's from a prior administration. He could've thought of a plan. He could've listened to Pentagon officials when the Taliban began taking over more territory back in April. He could've listened to the CIA when they pulled out over 6 weeks ago instructing him to get a move on.
Sorry, but Biden ruined this, and it was all for 9/11 photo op.
Mullah Abdul Ghani Baradar, the Taliban leader that Obama caught and was locked up at Gitmo was released by Trump, along with 5,000 other Taliban terrorists. Trump's actions are beyond horrific.
Nope, your reading comprehension needs work.
He was a prisoner of Pakistan and he was released by request of the Afghanistan government.
Sure Trump was greatly responsible for negotiating the peace treaty that kept Afghanistan safe for Americans for 18 months prior to Biden's debacle, but he wasn't the US's prisoner and therefore had to jurisdiction to release him.
How the heck were these troops going to pack up all the military crap to be air lifted somewhere, evacuate and resettle every Afghan and family employed by the US at some point over 20 years and round up every American who ignored 2+ years of warnings to avoid travel to Afghanistan, register with the embassy if they did, e and then locate/ evacuate them and their families?
You obviously have zero clue on how our military operates. We could've easily packed up our equipment, vehicles, and aircraft had we started in the beginning of the year, or at least by early March. They could've brought in the jumbo military planes to load them up. Our military is the best of the best and runs like a well oiled machine. And whatever we couldn't take back could've been destroyed
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I am unaware Biden further withdrew troops. Maybe I missed it. When did this happen? I am aware, Biden put an incremental 1000 troops in Afghanistan, this month for the final push.
Where the hell have you been? He began the withdrawal of troops starting May 1st back in April. By July we were at 90% in terms of complete military withdrawal.
You know what I'm struck by -- we didn't even really give this issue a glance in the greater scheme of things in the last two years.
Correction -- when there was talk of the wine and dine sessions at Camp David with the Taliban I remember some discussion. But none of expressed concern about some of the details coming out. Most of us wanted the USA out .
I know for conservatives this is convenient. Trump 'has no blood on his hands' because he wasn't able to do it.
Biden got the job done, paid a heavy price.
None of us are connected enough to the process to know if more couldn't have been done.
Everybody agrees it was a steep price to pay.
But like leaving some Americans in Afghanistan and getting out by the deadline, it may have been worse if the USA hadn't just focused on getting out.
Biden was damned for a military mission to stop a suicide bomber because civilians were killed, he was damned for the suicide bomber that killed our military....he's damned for leaving.
Anybody stop to think that if ISISK and Taliban start to try and show who is the big boss think that the USA/Americans don't suffer more catastrophic loss
You obviously have zero clue on how our military operates. We could've easily packed up our equipment, vehicles, and aircraft had we started in the beginning of the year, or at least by early March. They could've brought in the jumbo military planes to load them up. Our military is the best of the best and runs like a well oiled machine. And whatever we couldn't take back could've been destroyed
Where the hell have you been? He began the withdrawal of troops starting May 1st back in April. By July we are at 90% in terms of complete military withdrawal.
Apparently they did take all the equipment that belonged to the USA and that was worth retrieving.
Didn't the problem arise when the Afghan army abandoned their posts and all that equipment, amunition we had been sending them for the last 10 years was just left there. THe USA would have had to engage in a war with the Taliban to recover that equipment that was sold or given to the Afghan army.
Apparently they did take all the equipment that belonged to the USA and that was worth retrieving.
Didn't the problem arise when the Afghan army abandoned their posts and all that equipment, amunition we had been sending them for the last 10 years was just left there. THe USA would have had to engage in a war with the Taliban to recover that equipment that was sold or given to the Afghan army.
Ummmmmmm, no they didn't. There's plenty of footage of Taliban parading around in our gear. The Afghan army (not all, but a majority) stopped fighting when they stopped getting paid. A lot of them fought, but many of them gave up.
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