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Old 09-01-2021, 12:20 PM
 
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Bingo. I recently had some interesting correspondence with a Pakistani colleague (who is in Pakistan, and is following this closely). When I asked the same question as the OP, I received the response, "Because the minute the US destroyed all remaining American materiel, the Taliban--which had surrounded Kabul airport--would set up artillery and mortars around the airport and bomb the crap out of American efforts to get Americans and Afghans out of Kabul. There was a truce--a shaky one, but still a truce, and the Americans had to play by the rules of it, if they wanted to get out safely."

What the Americans did do, as I understand things, was to quietly "demilitarize" what remained. That involved making what remained inoperable, at least without spare parts from the US, which are not going to be easily available to the Taliban. For what did not get "demilitarized," there is the maintenance question: military helicopters and humvees and other such equipment need frequent maintenance if they are to operate as designed. How many Blackhawk helicopter mechanics do the Taliban have? My Pakistani correspondent estimated that it would be three months before no Blackhawk could be safely operated by the Taliban, owing to lack of maintenance, because the Taliban does not know how to maintain such equipment, and doesn't have the parts to do so in any event.

In short, the weapons weren't destroyed because it would hamper efforts to get Americans and American sympathizers out of Kabul, and because everything left behind won't get the parts and maintenance it needs in order to work. It's easier to leave them alone for now, and watch them break down in a few months.


WT?

RUBBISH

So you think we shouldn't have upset the Taliban for fear of what they could do to us?
Why did Biden ever allow us to abandon the fortified airbase to begin with, which was stragically places to help NATO and keep a footprint in the region that both China & Russia didn't want there.

Also, it is our equipment/weapons systems, so we should be able to do whatever we want with it. Unless Biden told them they could keep all our weapons, and if so, then he should be tried for treason.
The Taliban is our enemy, and we never should have accepted that they would be in charge until we left for good.

As to this rubbish about them not being able to fly or maintain the equipment, they could put guns to the heads of the Afghan military guys trained to fly and maintain everything. That is assuming they need to be coerced anyway, as some of them will be praising Allah while doing XYZ with our weapon systems.
That of course does not even take into account how those planes and helicopters can be sold to other countries, and/or China so they can steal our technology.
Also leaving hundreds of thousands of machine guns, ACOG's night vision equipment, drones, etc. etc. etc. just blows peoples minds.
You think all that stuff just magically will break down in a few months?

It just blows my mind how leftists in this country want to fund and supply Iran, and now the Taliban, yet want to disarm law abiding citizens in our own country.
Oh wait.
That is right, the biggest threat to our national security are white Christian people, not Islamic fanatics.




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Old 09-01-2021, 12:24 PM
 
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WT?

RUBBISH

So you think we shouldn't have upset the Taliban for fear of what they could do to us?
Why did Biden ever allow us to abandon the fortified airbase to begin with, which was stragically places to help NATO and keep a footprint in the region that both China & Russia didn't want there.

Also, it is our equipment/weapons systems, so we should be able to do whatever we want with it. Unless Biden told them they could keep all our weapons, and if so, then he should be tried for treason.
The Taliban is our enemy, and we never should have accepted that they would be in charge until we left for good.

As to this rubbish about them not being able to fly or maintain the equipment, they could put guns to the heads of the Afghan military guys trained to fly and maintain everything. That is assuming they need to be coerced anyway, as some of them will be praising Allah while doing XYZ with our weapon systems.
That of course does not even take into account how those planes and helicopters can be sold to other countries, and/or China so they can steal our technology.
Also leaving hundreds of thousands of machine guns, ACOG's night vision equipment, drones, etc. etc. etc. just blows peoples minds.
You think all that stuff just magically will break down in a few months?

It just blows my mind how leftists in this country want to fund and supply Iran, and now the Taliban, yet want to disarm law abiding citizens in our own country.
Oh wait.
That is right, the biggest threat to our national security are white Christian people, not Islamic fanatics.




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Emotional and visceral response to refutation of your current line of propaganda hurts, doesn't it.
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Old 09-01-2021, 12:25 PM
 
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Emotional and visceral response to refutation of your current line of propaganda hurts, doesn't it.
But he is correct
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Old 09-01-2021, 12:26 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Why didn't we blow up the weapons that were over there in Afghanistan rather than allowing them to fall into the hands of enemies?

Incompetence?

or

Treason?
I know right? If we were going to abandon an entire air base full of equipment, and leave it to the looters and Taliban, why didn't we fly out the aircraft and destroy the vehicles, weapons and equipment? All those generals who didn't resign, and instead chose to go along with Biden's ineptitude, need to resign.
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Old 09-01-2021, 12:27 PM
 
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ns/8197978002/

This is common knowledge. The US armed the Afghan military. That was the main reason we have been there for years now. These are US made weapons, belonging to the Afghan military. Someone saw that, and started spreading the misleading information that the US 'abandoned' the weapons. The plan for a long, long time now was always to arm the Afghan military for when we leave. If you have issue with that, the time to argue was a long time ago.
When the Afghan army was given weapons, people expected it to be a viable army.

But when it became clear that it was just an ice cube that melted in the heat, US leadership should have aggressively gotten as many weapons back as it could.

Surely we all recall what the British did to the French fleet in World War II, after it was clear that the Germans might get it.
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Old 09-01-2021, 12:27 PM
 
Location: Metro Seattle Area - Born and Raised
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Lol, another armchair general. So, if what you described in the second paragraph was so doable, I wonder why wasn't it done in the 20 years we were there, lol.
I might be an Armchair General, which I will give you that, but at least I served in the Army for 30 years in Combat Arms positions and served twice in Iraq… How many years did you serve and how many years have you served, “in country,” during any of our last few wars?
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Old 09-01-2021, 12:28 PM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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Why didn't we blow up the weapons that were over there in Afghanistan rather than allowing them to fall into the hands of enemies?

Incompetence?

or

Treason?
FYI..the Taliban has been stealing weapons from the Afghan army since January and the Afghan army didn't fight back.
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Old 09-01-2021, 12:28 PM
 
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The article you just linked says "17K pieces of equipment had been destroyed".


Can you get your anti-Biden propaganda straight at least?
Why say that poster is using propaganda against Biden.
No one except a total koolaid drinking sycophant could think Biden didn't ********** up royally.
Love or hate Trump, this S show would not be occurring if he was still president.

Also how can you watch listen to Biden and not realize he is not all there?
Just look back at his speeches when he was younger. He could actually talk fairly well and articulate an understandable thought process. Not any more, but some of you cover for him no matter what.




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Old 09-01-2021, 12:29 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Not when you think you have your political opponents on the ropes and a picture of some dudes with turbans standing next to a helicopter is a great propaganda piece to use against them!!! They might as well be shooting people off the Golden gate bridge with that helicopter according to the right wing feed.
So it ain't so bad then, eh?
The Taliban will be murdering women and children with the weapons and ammo we left behind. The rifles alone will last for decades. For decades now, US weapons will be used to murder innocent people all over the globe, including Americans.
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Old 09-01-2021, 12:29 PM
 
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But he is correct
In what way? That the taliban will keep former Afghan helicopter mechanics on the job by holding guns to their heads? That is a Breaking Bad plot line, not anything realistic.

He's wrong on almost every point he makes, including his premise that the equipment was "left for the Taliban", which we already know was a lie. The working equipment was left to the Afghan army, and the equipment at the air force base was disabled, as quote from the actual link from some genius who posted it saying that working equipment was left behind. His own link proved the opposite point.

So will the next posts be "we are really mad Biden left scrap metal behind"?
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