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Originally Posted by Toxic Waltz
Americans rallied together after 9/11, at least until the media started up with its "Bush Knew! Bush Knew!" headlines. If a 9/11 type disaster happened today we wouldn't rally together we'd be at each other's throats and pointing fingers right from the get-go. It's a different America from those days and as flawed as those days were I don't mean that as a compliment.
The point I was making, was that you haven't been attacked as in 9/11, and have a chance to move forward in a positive manner, despite the way Afghanistan has been handled.
Much as I think that withdrawal from Afghanistan was a mistake, you have to move forward and the use of smart warfare rather than boots on the ground, coupled with increased counter-terrorism cooperation seems logical enough.
In terms of Biden, he is only there for the short term, and it's up to the US people to find a leader they can trust and who can truly lead the free world.
The new doctrine in relation to future American global leadership will prioritise diplomacy, soft-power tools, economic and financial levers, technological advantage, intelligence-gathering and specialised defensive capabilities over brute military force, full-scale invasions, and indefinite armed occupations. US Officials call it “smart power” for a new era, and it is preferential to US and Allied Service Personnel coming home in body bags or suffering horrendous life changing injuries.
I agree but TRUMP is no longer President so we can't Impeach him for doing that now.
You do remember that he is the one who negotiated this deal with them right?
^This is a perfect example of why America really is screwed. People are so obsessed with party-loyalty, that they lie and let their guy get away with anything and everything. They'll just blame someone else.
We keep voting bozo's in because we don't demand better of them. We just pretend the epic failures and shady dealings don't exist and move on.
It's sheer stupidity. Everyone should be loyal to America and Americans - eff the politicians, they aren't doing their jobs and they sure as hell haven't been representing 'we, the people'.
When we went into Afghanistan it was to remove the Taliban that was in power, which harbored al-Qaeda that attacked the US on Sept 11. The calculation was that we could defeat the Taliban. But no one was sure if the Afghani's could learn to defend themselves from the Taliban afterwards. There was a lot of talk of Afghanistan becoming a quagmire.
Still, it was considered worth it to rid al-Qaeda as a threat. Well, now we know it did become a quagmire even after all we did to help the Afghani's stand on their own as a free society. All the Taliban had to do was hide and wait.
Defeating the Taliban gave them freedoms we consider basic, like freedom to speak, associate, religion, education, music. All these are now at threat of being lost again. What's amazing is the youth that grew up with these freedoms have cellphones, pop music, LGBTQ rights, etc. The youth are in for a rude awakening.
The Afghani's could not, or would not, defend themselves against the Taliban, and IMO there was not enough emphasis on self defense. Every citizen should have been taught how to defend their home and town and country.
Seems the only thing Biden is focused on is the big reset. Nothing else really matters. And any crises that might happen actually helps towards the big reset.
It's not terrorist or a virus that is the biggest threat to the US, it's the big reset movement.
I was talking to a gentleman the other day and you know what his big concern was. Not that our president handed an entire nation to terrorists on a silver platter. Nooooo......His big concern was that the New England Patriots cut Cam Newton off their roster. Honestly how can a nation survive with a populace so disengaged!
Sports aren't called "bread and circuses" for nothing!
All the signs point to the fact that the USSA is on a major slide down and we will be another Venezuela sooner rather than later....sorry but that's our path.
It’s sad that the young people today have no idea how much better this country was and how much more free we all were 40 years ago..which is a short time relatively speaking.
They have no idea what is real and what is important.
It’s sad that the young people today have no idea how much better this country was and how much more free we all were 40 years ago..which is a short time relatively speaking.
They have no idea what is real and what is important.
They have been taught to hate their country, to be racists against whites, to hate capitalism that has great advanced the world, to hate the Constitution which allowed up to become the greatest nation on the planet, and to have no real values except to be PC robots that can be triggered by their masters...no wonder we will land in the ditch.
I was talking to a gentleman the other day and you know what his big concern was. Not that our president handed an entire nation to terrorists on a silver platter. Nooooo......His big concern was that the New England Patriots cut Cam Newton off their roster. Honestly how can a nation survive with a populace so disengaged!
Been that way forever. A lot of people don't bother voting which is pretty zero effort. Which, that's not a bad thing when you consider that they wouldn't have any idea what they'd be voting on anyway.
But I do have to ask, were you paying attention in 2020 when Trump sat down and set out the terms of surrendering Afghanistan to the Taliban? Or were distracted by NASCAR or something? I didn't really like it much then. Trump surrendering to the Taliban and setting a withdrawal date wasn't an appetizing thing. I think it was a realistic thing though as we could be over there for another 20 or 40 years and in the same position where within a few months (or days as the case may be) of our leaving, Afghanistan would go right back to their preferred style of government which is the Taliban or similar. Between Trump handing an entire nation to terrorists on a silver platter and being over there for another 20 or 50 years, I prefer handing an entire nation over to what they want which is to be ruled by the Taliban. I was surprised at how little backlash there was though. You had some complaints from the typical warhawk Democrats but they didn't get much attention as Democrats are tired of Afghanistan/Iraq. You had some complaints from a few Republicans like Lindsey Graham, but same thing they just didn't resonate.
Could be because most people are ignorant of what is going on in the world so they just didn't realize that's what Trump had done until now when it actually happened. Could be that people just don't care what happens in Afghanistan/Iraq because they're just bored of it after 20 years. It's a crazy change of US policy though to go from the hardline of we do not negotiate with terrorists to just handing a nation over to them. Whether that's a good change or a bad change, honestly I don't know. We'll see I guess. It's just surprising that nobody really seemed to notice that the change had happened though.
I was talking to a gentleman the other day and you know what his big concern was. Not that our president handed an entire nation to terrorists on a silver platter. Nooooo......His big concern was that the New England Patriots cut Cam Newton off their roster. Honestly how can a nation survive with a populace so disengaged!
I think that from an economic standpoint, the U.S. is losing the battle. 40 years of more or less continuing on with Regan style economic policy and selling out the middle class in favor of more power for the rich and major corporations has not helped us.
In all honesty, I am very happy that we have finally removed ourselves from Afghanistan and that Biden had the balls and courage to do it, in spite of the criticism he is under. It was a lost cause to begin with.
What concerns me most are not external terrorist forces living abroad but rather, homegrown terrorists who are hellbent on overthrowing the government and even going as far as overthrowing our democracy if things do not go their way as the nation continues to trend more liberal. As I recall, it wasn't the Taliban who tried to overthrow our government on January 6. Those are the true terrorists we should all be concerned about if we want our nation to survive.
"And I will tell you, as much as I am willing to defend our liberty at all costs, there's nothing that I would dread doing more than having to pick up arms against a fellow American. And the way that we can have recourse against that is if we all passionately demand that we have election security in all 50 states." ~ North Carolina Rep. Madison Cawthorn
Wake up people! Some of our biggest threats of life and liberty are not coming from across either the Atlantic or Pacific oceans, or even from across the Mexican border for that matter.
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