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Old 09-03-2021, 01:28 PM
 
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Old 09-03-2021, 01:33 PM
 
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Ivermectin is FDA-approved for human use and has been hailed for years in major scientific publications as an antiviral "wonder drug." Its discovery garnered a Nobel Prize in 2015. The ignorance of libs who call it a horse drug is stunning. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34466270/

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Old 09-03-2021, 01:39 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Chuckity View Post
Up until early 2020, it was widely believed by both sides of the aisle, that Big Pharma can (and does) influence clinical trials.

Shocking how things change in a year.
The level of cognitive dissonance is astonishing. A collection of doctors from around the country hold a press conference in Washington DC, attempting to alert the public that they all are successfully treating patients with HCQ/zink, and Ivermectin, with amazing results, and its either crickets or condemnation.

Yet, these dolts can literally get knocked on their rear ends with an experimental injection, and the moment they recover enough, they hobble back for the 2nd jab. It blows my mind.
 
Old 09-03-2021, 01:41 PM
 
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Why would I? This world is all about money …. so yes, the source of the money is of immense importance. To suggest otherwise is ridiculous.
Then by that logic I will dismiss all of your studies you present based on funding. They are all invalid.


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No, you cited one study!!! I posted a link to 63 studies.
You posted a bunch of studies from a link where 4 studies have already been shown to have serious flaws and additional studies of very low quality. Here is a systematic review of 10 studies https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance...iab591/6310839
Another one with 14 studies - https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr...cookiesEnabled
And another meta-analysis with 16 studies and 16 case reports. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....07.20124677v1
All showing there is no effect of Ivermectin in treating COVID.

Now where are your Systematic reviews and meta-analysis again?


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We have hundreds of legitimate doctors treating thousands of very ill patients that are experiencing amazing results. It is BRAIN DEAD to blather on endlessly about “studies” which are overtly fraudulent, in light of actual real world results.

And we also have hundreds of legitimate doctors treating thousands of very ill patients that are experiencing no results with Ivermectin. Anecdote is a poor way to evaluate effectiveness, confounded by placebo, regression to the mean, response bias, etc.

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Furthermore, you could not make it any more clear that you’ll parrot the false narrative, word for word, no matter what evidence disproves it.
There is no false narrative in the data provided. You have yet to refute it.
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Again, I’ll take real world success over statistical exercises every time, because this is about saving lives, not about promoting pharmaceutical company agendas, which we already know is to inject everyone with their deadly concoctions.
If this was about saving lives then we should be promoting the vaccine more which has been proven to save lives vs a drug that has no scientific basis for potential therapeutic effect on COVID from any studies. Ironic that the same pharmaceutical company agendas don't apply to the drug makers of the drugs that you believe work.
 
Old 09-03-2021, 01:45 PM
 
Location: SW King County, WA
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I suppose it's possible that ivermectin works for Covid, but whoever thought to use it to begin with? Was there any reason?
It actually doesn't work, and people are taking it and ODing:

https://www.insider.com/oklahomas-em...rmectin-2021-9

https://www.wibw.com/2021/09/01/call...th-ivermectin/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/healt...rce=reddit.com

If people want to take it and die from the side effects, let alone COVID, I suppose we may as well let them...
 
Old 09-03-2021, 01:48 PM
 
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Enough already. There is no honesty with you, just word salad, and links to obviously biased sources, citing fraudulent studies, which claim no effectiveness of a drug real doctors are curing sick patients with!
A bunch of accusations with nothing to back it up. The studies I posted are from legitimate medical journals, not some fly by night site like you posted. Once again you failed to provide any information on why you think the sources are biased, or the studies I posted are fraudlent.

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So, you are either deliberately spreading disinformation, or you aren’t very bright. It doesn’t matter which one. You’re done. I don’t converse with either.
Ad Hominem Attack
 
Old 09-03-2021, 01:55 PM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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Show scientifici proof where Ivermectin has actually worked on COVID if you believe in it so much. Show scitentific proof where the Z-Pack has actually worked on COVID if it you believe in it so much. I'm not the brainwashed one making screed comments, you are. Stop throwing rocks from your glass house.
SCIENTIFIC PROOF!

SCIENTIFIC PROOF!!!11!!

Like I said, you're too far gone. There are ideas which you simply won't accept, such as corruption within the pharmaceutical industry, and because of that, you will NEVER see this clearly. I'm not going to argue with you about it any further.
 
Old 09-03-2021, 02:02 PM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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It's also used for dogs and cows. Do you think he was going for "heard immunity"?

I typically like Joe Rogan. I often disagree with him, and this is no exception, but at least he has knowledge of topics, and gets to his decisions in a good way. I think he was wrong here, but respect him. As he gets to be a bigger star, I do think he does more things and says more things to make an impact. This one may have cost him, I hope he recovers fast.
What do penicillin, aspirin and ivermectin have in common? Apart from the fact that they rhyme, all three belong to a very select group of drugs that can claim to have had the “greatest beneficial impact on the health and well-being of humanity”.

They have at least two other things in common: all three were found in nature and all three led to a Nobel prize.


Emphasis mine.

https://www.isglobal.org/en/healthis...alla/3098670/0
 
Old 09-03-2021, 02:07 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Diesel350z View Post
Then by that logic I will dismiss all of your studies you present based on funding. They are all invalid.


You posted a bunch of studies from a link where 4 studies have already been shown to have serious flaws and additional studies of very low quality. Here is a systematic review of 10 studies https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance...iab591/6310839
Another one with 14 studies - https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr...cookiesEnabled
And another meta-analysis with 16 studies and 16 case reports. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....07.20124677v1
All showing there is no effect of Ivermectin in treating COVID.

Now where are your Systematic reviews and meta-analysis again?





And we also have hundreds of legitimate doctors treating thousands of very ill patients that are experiencing no results with Ivermectin. Anecdote is a poor way to evaluate effectiveness, confounded by placebo, regression to the mean, response bias, etc.

There is no false narrative in the data provided. You have yet to refute it.
If this was about saving lives then we should be promoting the vaccine more which has been proven to save lives vs a drug that has no scientific basis for potential therapeutic effect on COVID from any studies. Ironic that the same pharmaceutical company agendas don't apply to the drug makers of the drugs that you believe work.
If this were about saving lives, this medical cartel wouldn’t be doing everything possible to withhold effective treatments, while placing people on ventilators and dosing them with Remdesivir.

And these vaccines do NOTHING to prevent infections, but are certainly good at what they were designed to do … kill people!
 
Old 09-03-2021, 02:08 PM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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Originally Posted by RocketDawg View Post
I suppose it's possible that ivermectin works for Covid, but whoever thought to use it to begin with? Was there any reason?
Most likely, doctors started noticing that patients who were taking it either weren't getting covid, or weren't getting it as bad.

Also, when facing a difficult challenge (pandemic qualifies imo), you throw the kitchen sink at it. Ivermectin is safe. There's no harm in some doctor trying it, if they have an idea and think it might help. That's the entire point of drugs being approved for "off label" use.
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