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Old 09-05-2021, 07:20 AM
 
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Fully Vaccinated 35-Year-Old Dies of COVID While Waiting for Last-Ditch Treatment

https://www.thedailybeast.com/fully-...rj-mK0vDwK_BJ8

Those vaccines really "work"

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A 35-year-old woman in Portland died Friday of COVID-19 while on the waiting list for a last-resort treatment. Heather Greeley showed only minor symptoms during the first week of her infection, according to her fiancee Tyler Birkes, who also tested positive.
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Old 09-05-2021, 07:54 AM
 
Location: My beloved Bluegrass
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“Heather did everything right, she did everything she was supposed to do and is now suffering because people didn’t do their part.”
This narrative has got to stop. She “did everything right” and she had it. For all he knows she got from someone who “did everything right”. My friend who “did everything right” to the point that we know the only possible way she could have gotten it is from her daughter, who also “did everything right”, died last week. The guilt that is eating her daughter because she still worked and shopped, while religiously wearing her mask, carefully choosing the times she shopped, and avoiding any unnecessary contact, is fueled by this inaccurate divisive narrative.

It is a virus. The particles are tiny, smaller than a cloth mask can block. It mutates. The vaccine, at least the most commonly used one, loses efficacy over time. If a rapist can unlock a door without a key, it’s not the rape victim’s fault they got raped if they failed to lock the door. Yes, it might have made slightly easier for him, but it didn’t matter since he had targeted that particular victim, locked door or not.
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Old 09-05-2021, 07:59 AM
 
Location: Sector 001
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She looks pretty damn overweight looking at the picture. Without reading the article it's likely she had comorbidities. There's always a bell curve, where the odds of something bad happening are low but still possible. She was one of the unlucky ones. It would be like the odds of getting 8/8 hits at a keno machine. Low, but not impossible. In this case the odds worked against her. The thing about the modern media is it takes uncommon occurrences that have a statistically low chance of happening and makes them seem commonplace, thus the reaction people have that the world "is going to hell."

Not really, we just hear about every uncommon occurrence because of social media. With regards to covid and vaccines each person has to do the research and make their own mind up as to what course of action to take depending on the data they find and what risks they think they have. Maybe they beat the odds, maybe they don't.
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Old 09-05-2021, 08:01 AM
 
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There will always be outliers, exceptions. Take them for what they are and learn from them. Its your fault if you fail to protect yourself based on a few exceptions when there are literally millions of examples of healthy, vaccinated people and 10s of thousands of examples of dead unvaccinated people.
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Old 09-05-2021, 08:11 AM
 
Location: NY
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This narrative has got to stop. She “did everything right” and she had it. For all he knows she got from someone who “did everything right”. My friend who “did everything right” to the point that we know the only possible way she could have gotten it is from her daughter, who also “did everything right”, died last week. The guilt that is eating her daughter because she still worked and shopped, while religiously wearing her mask, carefully choosing the times she shopped, and avoiding any unnecessary contact, is fueled by this inaccurate divisive narrative.

It is a virus. The particles are tiny, smaller than a cloth mask can block. It mutates. The vaccine, at least the most commonly used one, loses efficacy over time. If a rapist can unlock a door without a key, it’s not the rape victim’s fault they got raped if they failed to lock the door. Yes, it might have made slightly easier for him, but it didn’t matter since he had targeted that particular victim, locked door or not.


That narrative about 'doing everything right' is psychological abuse. We need to start calling it what it is. It is especially sinister when applied to children--making them think they could kill grandma or their parents. There are psychologists in the UK who participated in these types of campaigns, and now regret it due to its profound evil.

I'm sorry to hear about your friend, and about her daughter's guilt.
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Old 09-05-2021, 08:15 AM
 
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That narrative about 'doing everything right' is psychological abuse. We need to start calling it what it is. It is especially sinister when applied to children--making them think they could kill grandma or their parents. There are psychologists in the UK who participated in these types of campaigns, and now regret it due to its profound evil.

I'm sorry to hear about your friend, and about her daughter's guilt.



Exactly and also for every single 30 something that died of Covid (even before the vaccine) in the past 18 months about 25 others in that age group died of other causes (accidents, cancer and other diseases, suicide, etc) and that doesn't make the news. This is a sad situation but an extreme outlier.
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Old 09-05-2021, 08:22 AM
 
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Heather Greeley, front row

fiancée Tyler Birkes, right second to back row, w/ black shirt, beard, cap

https://m.facebook.com/pg/The-Eagles...8269684/posts/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoLWPM6DVJQ

She had Multiple sclerosis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-qm70cDNQQ

Her doctor recommended she go on an ECMO machine, she was on a waiting list

The ECMO machine works by inserting a plastic tube into a large vein and/or artery through the neck, chest or groin of the patient. This tube allows for the patient’s blood to flow out into an oxygenator, or artificial lung. The oxygenator adds oxygen and removes carbon dioxide from the blood, before a pump sends this blood back into the patient through a separate tube, at the same frequency and force of the heart. Essentially, ECMO helps these patients by acting as their heart and lungs.

https://www.froedtert.com/stories/ec...id-19-patients
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Old 09-05-2021, 08:33 AM
 
Location: USA
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I sit here shaking my head at the absurdity of people.

Facts are an anathema to some people. There are none so blind as those who will not see.

Vaccines are not guarantees, but they improve the probabilities. All of life is a gamble; don't people want to improve their odds?

I wonder how many people who are vaccinated did not get sick? How many people who are vaccinated did not go to the hospital? How many people who are vaccinated did not die? Those people are not highlighted in postings that deprecate the efficacy of the vaccines.
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Old 09-05-2021, 08:36 AM
 
Location: My beloved Bluegrass
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Heather Greeley, front row

fiancée Tyler Birkes, right second to back row, w/ black shirt, beard, cap

https://m.facebook.com/pg/The-Eagles...8269684/posts/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoLWPM6DVJQ

She had Multiple sclerosis

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Yeah, between the obesity and multiple sclerosis she was at high risk.

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Current evidence shows that simply having MS does not make you more likely to develop COVID-19 or to become severely ill or die from the infection than the general population. However, the following groups of people with MS are more susceptible to having a severe case of COVID-19:
  • People with progressive MS
  • People with MS over the age of 60
  • Men with MS
  • Black people with MS and possibly South Asian people with MS
  • People with higher levels of disability (for example, an EDSS score of 6 or above, which relates to needing to use a walking stick)
  • People with MS and obesity (body mass index of 30 or higher), diabetes or diseases of the heart or lungs
  • People taking certain disease modifying therapies for their MS (see MS Treatment Guidelines During Coronavirus)
It was a shame she died, regardless. People though need to quit the blame game, whether it’s pointing out someone’s weight or it’s accusing the unvaccinated. Unless someone who knows they are infected goes up and purposefully blows air at someone’s face or goes out in public after getting a positive test, it’s no one’s “fault” someone got the virus and it manifested itself in that person at a severe or deadly level. It is a virus.
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Old 09-05-2021, 08:37 AM
 
Location: King County, WA
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Many people have a very difficult time correctly assessing risk. They tend to focus on individual extreme examples, when it's the large scale results that should matter to the vast majority of people. This is why the medical research community prefers to use statistical methods and carefully designed experiments, rather than anecdotal evidence.
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