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Lincoln invaded Virginia and Virginia defended itself. Whether secession was legal or illegal hadn't yet been established. Have you ever read Thomas Jefferson's Kentucky Resolution?
"Resolved that the several states composing the US. of America are not united on the principle of unlimited submission to their general government; but that, by a compact under the style & title of a Constitution for the US. and of Amendments thereto, they constituted a general government for special purposes, delegated to that government certain definite powers, reserving, each state to itself, the residuary mass of right to their own self-government; and that whensoever the General government assumes undelegated powers, it’s acts are unauthoritative, void, & of no force.
that to this compact each state acceded as a state, and is an integral party, it’s co-states forming, as to itself, the other party.
that the government created by this compact was not made the exclusive or final judge of the extent of the powers delegated to itself; since that would have made it’s discretion, & not the constitution the measure of it’s powers: but that, as in all other cases of compact among powers having no common judge, each party has an equal right to judge for itself, as well of infractions, as of the mode & measure of redress."
The person waging war was Abraham Lincoln, not Robert E. Lee.
Ah the American Taliban strikes again. Meh it's okay you may remove a monument but you won't and can't remove what's in our hearts and minds. Just remember those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it. This time the result won't be the same.
Really? Then why did Lincoln call upon 75,000 troops to invade the south? Virginia hadn't even seceded from the union prior to that. Virginia seceded because Lincoln forced them to take a side.
To the deeper thinkers the statues should serve as a reminder as to just how fragile America can be. The Civil War was a terrible time and the future of the country hung in the balance and this cannot be forgotten.
Good idea. Erect a monument that expresses regret and sorrow at the loss and suffering caused when someone like Lee took arms so a bunch of landowners who thought themselves aristocrats could keep human beings as property.
Good idea. Erect a monument that expresses regret and sorrow at the loss and suffering caused when someone like Lee took arms so a bunch of landowners who thought themselves aristocrats could keep human beings as property.
The Patriots of the American Revolution are not traitors to America. The Confederates are. And the Patriots' cause is not the same cause as the Confederate cause. One fought against taxation without representation. The other (the Confederates) fought to keep the institution of slavery around.
There was no America when the Founders revolted against the crown of England.
What existed at the time was thirteen British colonies that belonged to the British empire.
Moreover, the Founder's position on slavery during the Revolutionary War was identical to that of the Confederacy.
Ending slavery would have destroyed the southern economy, so while the practice was morally reprehensible, it was also essential to those living in the south at the time.
Like the Founders, the leaders of the Confederacy simply wanted to create their own nation and go their own way.
There was no America when the Founders revolted against the crown of England.
What existed at the time was thirteen British colonies that belonged to the British empire.
Moreover, the Founder's position on slavery during the Revolutionary War was identical to that of the Confederacy.
Ending slavery would have destroyed the southern economy, so while the practice was morally reprehensible, it was also essential to those living in the south at the time.
Like the Founders, the leaders of the Confederacy simply wanted to create their own nation and go their own way.
I see a dime's difference between the two.
Other than victory, you mean?
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